Question to Competitive Players: 1v1

I've done some super secret stalking and I noticed 4/5 of 1v1 games always end up with Turkey vs Ukraine. Only once did the 2nd player pick France after his opponent took Ukraine.

So my question to you competitive players is why always east?

Note: I stalked 140 games over a week period. Exact stats are available.

East is more balanced then the west. Economically and reinforcement wise. Germany 1st pick in west with 4 minute turn time is down right unfair lol.

East is fairly stronger in facing west than west itself. First pick east usually results in second pick east unless player is good at Germany/France/uk


Poland is the counter to all countries

Europe + 4min for 1v1 is unbalanced and if you pick anything beside turk or ukraine first, your basicly fucked considering ukraine is kryptonite for anything beside turkey.
Thats the reason i started playing just europe without + ...but then turkey in 4 minute is OP for everything and ukraine is still OP against anything else.
In the end i started playing 2 min turns because this balances larger countries and ones who can expaned easier withdoes who have less moves ...walls play a major role in the game, and givin more time to make them to players with more reinforcments is an unfair advantage. In 2 min turkey in europe is not that OP anymore given the amount of moves you have to make ...germany and UK become very good counters. Only thing is ukkraine is still an OP second pick for anything beside turkey.

So basicly to explain why i play 2 min ...the only reason are walls ...they take almost no skill to make yet they give you the largest advantage when playing and that makes the game in longer turn time less strategic and more about who has more things to wall. Yes some would say there are wallfucks to deal with that ...true, but again country with more land is harder to wallfuck and killin wallfucks and walling again is not a problem for skilled players.

Thing is from my expirience alot of 4min duels, unless turk vs ukraine are won based on this fact ...player with more expansion options will win with spamm and walls.

Get away from me u crazy stalker

Anyways, I've always found East easier to play. The country is cheap with more units so it's easy to be more offensive. Depends on play style though tbh.

I believe that most of the time 1v1s are Turkey vs Ukraine is because Ukraine or Turkey is almost always the first pick, because people are afraid their opponent will take a country in the east if they do not, giving their opponent an advantage.

I like playing in the west, because in the east you have more units --> more moves to make. I am lazy

Actually, I've always found Ukraine is quote weak against the west as long as they play PD. Probably just me.

Really it's mostly the feeling of safety which inspires confidence. In a west v west fight both caps are often under threat from each other, whereas I west v east neither are in early game, unless ukraine decides to rush (which is rarely effective against most good players). It might appear to be trivial, but it isn't because people like to feel safe. Therefore they pick east to make themselves feel better. Never underestimate confidence.

I've had beat every SM ukraine I had face in germany vs ukraine ( exept goblin! he only gived me 1 opportunity! unfair! remake! OMG! 2 MINS BS!). The trick is to force ukraine to go deffensive, and make a good use of Anti-Aircraft with your big economy.

True fact: 90% of ukraine players would never protect his capital, because they think you are too far away. Airdrop with 15 units on turn 4 from serbia had won me many match

Also, GW germany is the definition of OP against turkey. Germany GW can easy overstack hungary in turn 2 and kill turkey there( if they attacked). Also massive german income with GW = GOOD!. Just unstoppable......... ( V-dog plz never use GW germany again )

Italy also a good pick against SM ukraine. I've also saw Eagle uk doing well against Laochra's SM ukr. BELIEVE IT!

Wr1tt3n by Safari, 01.08.2014 at 08:55

I like playing in the west, because in the east you have more units --> more moves to make. I am lazy

xD

It's also worth noting that a 1v1 in east is not very different than playing east in a 3v3 (unless you have an Italy enemy) the only exception is you expand much further.

I think the thing is, and this isnt new it is has been here for always just not that verry well. SM ukraine. People like it to rush with 300 bombers and stuff. Not saying it is a bad thing, but i noticed in some duels. I picked uk or france or whatever. And the other guy picked SM ukraine or SM sweden or stuff like that. Just expanding to countries with 6-8 reinf, having the money to spam bombers, and rush the opponents capital. Idk why? Because i see often people care more about winning than having fun. And for me I think the online games are here for having fun. Not to stroke your ego:P. Anyways west 1v1's are more variable, multiple ways to crush some1. When in east its mostly a win for turkey or ukraine if it gains west. Not saying it is impossible but in turkey vs ukraine there are not that much ways to kill ukraine.

I like imp turkey so i love to play east. And very few players want to try to counter Turkey in 1v1 with like France or Germany. i play some 1v1 in west but its just meh cause everything is inf'ed and takes longer to build up a defense from rush

Wr1tt3n by Waffel, 01.08.2014 at 14:45

I think the thing is, and this isnt new it is has been here for always just not that verry well. SM ukraine. People like it to rush with 300 bombers and stuff. Not saying it is a bad thing, but i noticed in some duels. I picked uk or france or whatever. And the other guy picked SM ukraine or SM sweden or stuff like that. Just expanding to countries with 6-8 reinf, having the money to spam bombers, and rush the opponents capital. Idk why? Because i see often people care more about winning than having fun. And for me I think the online games are here for having fun. Not to stroke your ego:P. Anyways west 1v1's are more variable, multiple ways to crush some1. When in east its mostly a win for turkey or ukraine if it gains west. Not saying it is impossible but in turkey vs ukraine there are not that much ways to kill ukraine.

But Waff, thats the point of SM Ukraine, not only that but if uk, if we say that uk is pd, if he expand well and "survive" ukr rush, in case ukr rushed, its gonna be almost impossible for ukr to beat PD uk with tons of money and tons of reinf.. Ukr have speed, Uk have money and.. money. Idk what i am talking about ,just wanted to say Hi to Waffel.

Wr1tt3n by Waffel, 01.08.2014 at 14:45

I think the thing is, and this isnt new it is has been here for always just not that verry well. SM ukraine. People like it to rush with 300 bombers and stuff. Not saying it is a bad thing, but i noticed in some duels. I picked uk or france or whatever. And the other guy picked SM ukraine or SM sweden or stuff like that. Just expanding to countries with 6-8 reinf, having the money to spam bombers, and rush the opponents capital. Idk why? Because i see often people care more about winning than having fun. And for me I think the online games are here for having fun. Not to stroke your ego:P. Anyways west 1v1's are more variable, multiple ways to crush some1. When in east its mostly a win for turkey or ukraine if it gains west. Not saying it is impossible but in turkey vs ukraine there are not that much ways to kill ukraine.

thats why i play turkey, for the challenge lol. No, i think that east is just more expansive faster and provides for more need to defend and attack everywhere, in 1v1 usually i get rushed as turkey b4 i can get most of west (i usually take germany turn 4 or 5 or france if germany is already taken

Qu0t3:

But Waff, thats the point of SM Ukraine, not only that but if uk, if we say that uk is pd, if he expand well and "survive" ukr rush, in case ukr rushed, its gonna be almost impossible for ukr to beat PD uk with tons of money and tons of reinf.. Ukr have speed, Uk have money and.. money. Idk what i am talking about ,just wanted to say Hi to Waffel.

helloow <3

Wr1tt3n by Quantum027, 01.08.2014 at 16:04

Wr1tt3n by Waffel, 01.08.2014 at 14:45

I think the thing is, and this isnt new it is has been here for always just not that verry well. SM ukraine. People like it to rush with 300 bombers and stuff. Not saying it is a bad thing, but i noticed in some duels. I picked uk or france or whatever. And the other guy picked SM ukraine or SM sweden or stuff like that. Just expanding to countries with 6-8 reinf, having the money to spam bombers, and rush the opponents capital. Idk why? Because i see often people care more about winning than having fun. And for me I think the online games are here for having fun. Not to stroke your ego:P. Anyways west 1v1's are more variable, multiple ways to crush some1. When in east its mostly a win for turkey or ukraine if it gains west. Not saying it is impossible but in turkey vs ukraine there are not that much ways to kill ukraine.

thats why i play turkey, for the challenge lol. No, i think that east is just more expansive faster and provides for more need to defend and attack everywhere, in 1v1 usually i get rushed as turkey b4 i can get most of west (i usually take germany turn 4 or 5 or france if germany is already taken

what turkey takes germany in turn 4 or 5 o_o?

Wr1tt3n by Waffel, 01.08.2014 at 16:50

Wr1tt3n by Quantum027, 01.08.2014 at 16:04

Wr1tt3n by Waffel, 01.08.2014 at 14:45

I think the thing is, and this isnt new it is has been here for always just not that verry well. SM ukraine. People like it to rush with 300 bombers and stuff. Not saying it is a bad thing, but i noticed in some duels. I picked uk or france or whatever. And the other guy picked SM ukraine or SM sweden or stuff like that. Just expanding to countries with 6-8 reinf, having the money to spam bombers, and rush the opponents capital. Idk why? Because i see often people care more about winning than having fun. And for me I think the online games are here for having fun. Not to stroke your ego:P. Anyways west 1v1's are more variable, multiple ways to crush some1. When in east its mostly a win for turkey or ukraine if it gains west. Not saying it is impossible but in turkey vs ukraine there are not that much ways to kill ukraine.

thats why i play turkey, for the challenge lol. No, i think that east is just more expansive faster and provides for more need to defend and attack everywhere, in 1v1 usually i get rushed as turkey b4 i can get most of west (i usually take germany turn 4 or 5 or france if germany is already taken

what turkey takes germany in turn 4 or 5 o_o?

mine lol, myself and joed played 1v1, rome turn 1, milan/turin/zurich turn 2, belgrade turn 1, austria turn 2/3, merge and try to hit germany turn 4 or even earlier

I always pick germany when my enemy picks turkey, but 90% of the time they pick ukraine, so I am forced to play turkey.

I still remember old school duels between France and germany :3

Wr1tt3n by Meester, 01.08.2014 at 04:12

I've done some super secret stalking and I noticed 4/5 of 1v1 games always end up with Turkey vs Ukraine. Only once did the 2nd player pick France after his opponent took Ukraine.

So my question to you competitive players is why always east?

Note: I stalked 140 games over a week period. Exact stats are available.

youve been busy meester lol, and waffel is actually kindve right.

tops thread here basically sums up the issue http://atwar-game.com/forum/topic.php?topic_id=13909&board_page=5

the common consensus on europe+ is that ukraine and turkey are the strongest picks, particularly sm ukraine as its only fair counter is really turk. it doesnt matter what clovis said, he found 1 particular pd german expansion that has a chance, but it requires a bit of luck to work(with all walls open and sms range youve to guess the right places to defend.)

turk has fair counters in the west such as uk germany and france so its not really an issue. and while turk counters ukraine, ukraine is still slightly more dangerous, purely due to its versatility as there are many strats that are powerful with it.

as a result youll encounter quite a few duels where players who seek to win will pick an east country first, particularly ukraine in order to gain themselves an advantage.

personally vs certain players ill pick ukraine first pick simply to keep it away from them. as youll find yourself possibly at the receiving end of a turn 1 balkans rush if you pick turk. one of the cheapest and most hated ukraine plays i know of. there are other players who i used to love to duel that no matter where youd pick theyll pick a fair counter.

while im surprised at 4/5 duels going to the east, i guess its not all that shocking when you think about it.

Wr1tt3n by clovis1122, 01.08.2014 at 09:45

I've had beat every SM ukraine I had face in germany vs ukraine ( exept goblin! he only gived me 1 opportunity! unfair! remake! OMG! 2 MINS BS!). The trick is to force ukraine to go deffensive, and make a good use of Anti-Aircraft with your big economy.

True fact: 90% of ukraine players would never protect his capital, because they think you are too far away. Airdrop with 15 units on turn 4 from serbia had won me many match

Also, GW germany is the definition of OP against turkey. Germany GW can easy overstack hungary in turn 2 and kill turkey there( if they attacked). Also massive german income with GW = GOOD!. Just unstoppable......... ( V-dog plz never use GW germany again )

Italy also a good pick against SM ukraine. I've also saw Eagle uk doing well against Laochra's SM ukr. BELIEVE IT!

I killed your pd ger with my sm ukr. Go delete your acc now

Wr1tt3n by Eagle, 02.08.2014 at 16:12

I killed your pd ger with my sm ukr. Go delete your acc now

You got luck, twice.

And also I had beat you in germ vs ukr. Goblin only player and HE DONT WANT TO GIVE ME ANOTHER OPORTUNITY ;_;

Wr1tt3n by Permamuted, 02.08.2014 at 06:53

it doesnt matter what clovis said, he found 1 particular pd german expansion that has a chance, but it requires a bit of luck to work(with all walls open and sms range youve to guess the right places to defend.

Ask your clanmate syrian-force about IMP germany vs SM ukraine. IMP germany is against ukraine what GW germany is against turkey.

Actually, in other post Tophats say and you also agreed: " People are just scared for try a different way. Turk-ukr combo is beatable."

I just like playing turkey, i always ask if we are doing east v east, west v west or random. I actually enjoy France v Germany and win a lot in 1v1s as France, i find France rather OP, and Turkey/Ukraine as more balanced

Wr1tt3n by clovis1122, 02.08.2014 at 20:52

Wr1tt3n by Eagle, 02.08.2014 at 16:12

I killed your pd ger with my sm ukr. Go delete your acc now

You got luck, twice.

And also I had beat you in germ vs ukr. Goblin only player and HE DONT WANT TO GIVE ME ANOTHER OPORTUNITY ;_;

Wr1tt3n by Permamuted, 02.08.2014 at 06:53

it doesnt matter what clovis said, he found 1 particular pd german expansion that has a chance, but it requires a bit of luck to work(with all walls open and sms range youve to guess the right places to defend.

Ask your clanmate syrian-force about IMP germany vs SM ukraine. IMP germany is against ukraine what GW germany is against turkey.

Actually, in other post Tophats say and you also agreed: " People are just scared for try a different way. Turk-ukr combo is beatable."

and you got lucky vs me, this isnt an ego driven statement, its a fact. and eagle didnt get lucky vs you, i was watching that game, i sent eagle prs on what to do vs you, i even sent you a screenshot of those prs after the game of me telling him exactly what to do. and weve had this argument repeatedly. i know turk-ukraine is "beatable", but if you access clovis statistical data files youll find its a 80/90% chance of defeat. so as has been repeatedly and correctly stated by the atwar community turk/ukraine is op.

if it was possible to find a combo of countries that stood a fair chance vs that combo then it wouldve been done already. its not a matter of fear. tophats is wrong.

I like PD ukraine

Back in my rank 6 times...

IF was the best strat for both uk and germany.

Game was all about uk/france/spain/turkey/ukraine/germany. Everything else was consider as "trolling" and kick you from game, also remake.

Spain was played with GC( rush austria) and SM. SM was the most used. usually get rome + turin + milan.

France was PD/IMP and away scared for rush spain because IF uk.

GW ukraine was THE SHIT.

Nowadays....

You no longer get kicked for pick Italy in 3vs3. Actually, italy is nowadays a standart pick. High ranks doesnt get kicked for pick poland/austria/serbia/greece... actually, they dont get kicked for pick somenthing non-standard.

More diverse strats: PD and NC expanded to most the standart picks.

More open-mind gameplays: There is constant new expanctions, weakness, challenge. People are forced to upgrade or die. This is what is called "competitive" in marketing.


When you call a country "unbeatable" , you are stopping evolutions. I am sure all the countries have advantage and disadvantage. IMP germany have cheap ranks and Anti-Air, as well as awesome income. SM ukraine have powerful bombers and great starting cash.

Omg Meester , did u stalked me and steve aoki dueling in which i took France after he choosed Ukr , and i still got rushed and lost turn 6?:lol:

There needs to be more East vs West games. However it's understandable why there isn't . They can be very time consuming and East generally tends to win imo...

There needs to be more East vs West games. However it's understandable why there isn't . They can be very time consuming and East generally tends to win imo...

It's just the way the map is.