Does IQ Matter, do you believe in racial IQ?

Stumbled apon some interesting studies showing that IQs can be averaged based on your race. Such as, currently.

Jews:114

Eastern Asian: 108

Western European White: 104 (Germanic Peoples scored 105)

Western Asian: 104

American White: 102

Eastern European White: 101

Native American: 99

Latin American: 96

American Black: 93

African Black: 85

These have moved signifigantly in some places since the 1700s with the gap getting smaller as globalism causes races to interact and mix, with exception of jews that have risen 4 points. So my Question is this, based on this data would it be appropriate to say some people are more capable of doing certain tasks then others, or do you think IQ is not an important indicator of proficiency or productivity? Do you think this study is racist or factual? Btw have you taken an IQ test before? A certified one not a Facebook test or some free one off the internet. I personally think they should be mandatory in education. I got tested twice once when I was thirteen and another time last year. I'll post my results if you want.

IQ is incredibly unreliable since a lot of it is influenced by how you are raised. Growing up in a wealthy household that encourages education is more important than being born a certain way. The obvious exception is being born with a debilitating mental deficiency.

Wr1tt3n by Witch-Doctor, 13.07.2017 at 14:12

IQ is incredibly unreliable since a lot of it is influenced by how you are raised. Growing up in a wealthy household that encourages education is more important than being born a certain way. The obvious exception is being born with a debilitating mental deficiency.

But there has to be some truth to it right? What causes the Einsteins of the world? By your logic a black man such as Niel Tyson Degrasse topped out considerably lower then let's say Albert Einstein. Maybe it's more of a min-max Modifier.

Meaning (This is Hypothetical) a man is born in South Africa He is black, the average IQ for black men is 89 in South Africa, but he grows up to be Nelson Mandela, With an IQ of 128, But his brother only has an IQ of 79, both grew up the same way, where afforded the same opportunities, what would cause this?

Wr1tt3n by Helly, 13.07.2017 at 14:22

Wr1tt3n by Witch-Doctor, 13.07.2017 at 14:12

IQ is incredibly unreliable since a lot of it is influenced by how you are raised. Growing up in a wealthy household that encourages education is more important than being born a certain way. The obvious exception is being born with a debilitating mental deficiency.

By your logic a black man such as Niel Tyson Degrasse topped out considerably lower then let's say Albert Einstein.

Please do explain how my logic implies that.

Wr1tt3n by Witch-Doctor, 13.07.2017 at 14:31

Wr1tt3n by Helly, 13.07.2017 at 14:22

Wr1tt3n by Witch-Doctor, 13.07.2017 at 14:12

IQ is incredibly unreliable since a lot of it is influenced by how you are raised. Growing up in a wealthy household that encourages education is more important than being born a certain way. The obvious exception is being born with a debilitating mental deficiency.

By your logic a black man such as Niel Tyson Degrasse topped out considerably lower then let's say Albert Einstein.

Please do explain how my logic implies that.

Well you said it was based on your upbringing, both of those men had good upbringing and became scientists.

Wr1tt3n by Helly, 13.07.2017 at 14:43

Wr1tt3n by Witch-Doctor, 13.07.2017 at 14:31

Wr1tt3n by Helly, 13.07.2017 at 14:22

Wr1tt3n by Witch-Doctor, 13.07.2017 at 14:12

IQ is incredibly unreliable since a lot of it is influenced by how you are raised. Growing up in a wealthy household that encourages education is more important than being born a certain way. The obvious exception is being born with a debilitating mental deficiency.

By your logic a black man such as Niel Tyson Degrasse topped out considerably lower then let's say Albert Einstein.

Please do explain how my logic implies that.

Well you said it was based on your upbringing, both of those men had good upbringing and became scientists.

You forgot the part where Tyson "topped" out lower. Explain how my view shows that.

Yes, IQ is important, Race is not.

geographical position / culture > iq

I'd like to see the source on your stats ... international comparisons show Israel has an average IQ around 95-102, depending on the sources. Haven't seen too many reliable stats though on race, Though SE asian and Northern European nations tend to score at the top.

Wr1tt3n by brianwl, 13.07.2017 at 15:10

I'd like to see the source on your stats ... international comparisons show Israel has an average IQ around 95-102, depending on the sources. Haven't seen too many reliable stats though on race, Though SE asian and Northern European nations tend to score at the top.

Id love to help you with that, but I found it in a book I'm reading for a college course.

Wr1tt3n by Mussolini1812, 13.07.2017 at 15:09

Yes, IQ is important, Race is not.

geographical position / culture > iq

Culture is tied to race, same is mostly true about geographical position. Tell me this what are you likely to find in Sudan? I'll give you a hint it isn't Russians.

Yes it does race has alot to do with it

Well, your stats are not racial, but geographical, with the exception of Jews, since they live everywhere and you mentioned race and i said geography so yes, no, they don't fall under either category.

I think IQ is important and race is not. There's some US law H-B1 or something, allowing foreigners to study and work in America in science, mostly Indians, Pakistanis and Chinese are using it, so that mean different races, colors and cultures excel in science, atleast some percentage of them. Which brings conclusion if you set a proper standards, there will be success in all races. It is also a fact that every race will fail if you remove proper standards, like Eastern Europeans, white, yet poor people.

ps: what is average IQ for adults? I did iq test but in the military and they don't show results to doughboys

Wr1tt3n by Skanderbeg, 13.07.2017 at 16:44

Well, your stats are not racial, but geographical, with the exception of Jews, since they live everywhere and you mentioned race and i said geography so yes, no, they don't fall under either category.

I think IQ is important and race is not. There's some US law H-B1 or something, allowing foreigners to study and work in America in science, mostly Indians, Pakistanis and Chinese are using it, so that mean different races, colors and cultures excel in science, atleast some percentage of them. Which brings conclusion if you set a proper standards, there will be success in all races. It is also a fact that every race will fail if you remove proper standards, like Eastern Europeans, white, yet poor people.

ps: what is average IQ for adults? I did iq test but in the military and they don't show results to doughboys

Average iq for serbs pretending to.be russian is 55

Dont even bother. All the nerd PHD scientists who tried, got blacklisted by the "tolerant" left, as if science can be racist.

In 1969 the American psychologist Arthur Jenson published a paper in the Harvard Educational Review claiming that black Americans had lower genetic intelligence than whites and Asians. They ostracized him, humiliated him, students protested and they even refused to allow him to respond to his critics.

The same more or less happened with the Bell curve and other publications and research papers that followed, except off course the paper who made the claim that Ashkenazi Jews were smarter. No public outcry then, only a few rebuttals under the radar. We live in a funny century thats for sure.

My opinion is that while there are biological differences like brain size, muscle/bone tissue density/size, race is more than genetics, culture is deeply entrenched in the way people of different races carry themselves. Your data is the following:


- Jews and East Asians are at the top
- Whites in the middle
- Blacks/ muslims at the bottom



The questions that come up are not whether these findings are based on genetics or environment. The most important questions imo are the following:



Question : What are blacks and arabs not doing right? What changes should they make to improve their scores and thus their value in our world?

Answer : Less fighting for rights, less selling drugs, less religious fundamentalism, less protests. More studying, more college education, more working.




Question 2 : Based on the table who would you want as an immigrant/refugee in your country?

Answer: I would prefer Asians and Jews personally, the data suggest also a correlation of the IQ charts with lower crime rate, so theres that too. Sounds the smart thing to pick, has nothing to do with racism, its just in our best interest.

LGBTs have the lowest Iq on earth..dont believe me?

Heres a fact

Not everybody would cut off their penis to become a female. it takes a dumbass to do that

Not wanting to be an asshole but thats just my humble opinion on this matter

Wr1tt3n by Khal.eesi, 13.07.2017 at 20:02

...as if science can be racist.

Science and objectivity is a complex issue.

Wr1tt3n by Guest, 13.07.2017 at 21:21

LGBTs have the lowest Iq on earth..dont believe me?

Alan Mathison Turing

Wr1tt3n by Guest, 13.07.2017 at 21:21

Not wanting to be an asshole

Ofc. not. This is beyond your power.

Wr1tt3n by Skanderbeg, 13.07.2017 at 16:44

Well, your stats are not racial, but geographical, with the exception of Jews, since they live everywhere and you mentioned race and i said geography so yes, no, they don't fall under either category.

I think IQ is important and race is not. There's some US law H-B1 or something, allowing foreigners to study and work in America in science, mostly Indians, Pakistanis and Chinese are using it, so that mean different races, colors and cultures excel in science, atleast some percentage of them. Which brings conclusion if you set a proper standards, there will be success in all races. It is also a fact that every race will fail if you remove proper standards, like Eastern Europeans, white, yet poor people.

ps: what is average IQ for adults? I did iq test but in the military and they don't show results to doughboys

The average IQ differs from where you live. But 96% of people are within 30 point of 100. So if your iq is between 70 (slight retardation) and 130 (exceptional but not genius) you are average. In the United states this year is the first year our IQs are less then 100, the avg in the United states is 99 now.

Wr1tt3n by Helly, 13.07.2017 at 15:20

Wr1tt3n by brianwl, 13.07.2017 at 15:10

I'd like to see the source on your stats ... international comparisons show Israel has an average IQ around 95-102, depending on the sources. Haven't seen too many reliable stats though on race, Though SE asian and Northern European nations tend to score at the top.

Id love to help you with that, but I found it in a book I'm reading for a college course.

I am shocked your book didnt say (white) American average is 140 IQ.

Wr1tt3n by Waffel, 14.07.2017 at 04:39

Wr1tt3n by Helly, 13.07.2017 at 15:20

Wr1tt3n by brianwl, 13.07.2017 at 15:10

I'd like to see the source on your stats ... international comparisons show Israel has an average IQ around 95-102, depending on the sources. Haven't seen too many reliable stats though on race, Though SE asian and Northern European nations tend to score at the top.

Id love to help you with that, but I found it in a book I'm reading for a college course.

I am shocked your book didnt say (white) American average is 140 IQ.

That would just be inaccurate most Americans are retarded.

Wr1tt3n by Helly, 14.07.2017 at 00:14

Wr1tt3n by Skanderbeg, 13.07.2017 at 16:44

Well, your stats are not racial, but geographical, with the exception of Jews, since they live everywhere and you mentioned race and i said geography so yes, no, they don't fall under either category.

I think IQ is important and race is not. There's some US law H-B1 or something, allowing foreigners to study and work in America in science, mostly Indians, Pakistanis and Chinese are using it, so that mean different races, colors and cultures excel in science, atleast some percentage of them. Which brings conclusion if you set a proper standards, there will be success in all races. It is also a fact that every race will fail if you remove proper standards, like Eastern Europeans, white, yet poor people.

ps: what is average IQ for adults? I did iq test but in the military and they don't show results to doughboys

The average IQ differs from where you live. But 96% of people are within 30 point of 100. So if your iq is between 70 (slight retardation) and 130 (exceptional but not genius) you are average. In the United states this year is the first year our IQs are less then 100, the avg in the United states is 99 now.

I think Yellow Rose already said enough. It makes common sense that the people in wealthier places (Asia, Europe, America(eventho it has a low IQ) have more posibilities to increase their IQ. Ofcourse there are exceptions made everywhere where ppl like the new Einstein show up, but thats just few exceptions. In Africa most places have no schools, and if they have schools, im pretty sure they are learning the standard things, while in Asia, Europe, America, or w/e we have so many more things to become smarter and increase our IQ.

Note: With increasing our IQ I mean, giving more posibilities too look at something from different angles (and make it easier for people to succeed in it). Not quiet sure if IQ can be changed, but I think it can be developed in time, so basically a bit changing.

Wr1tt3n by Helly, 14.07.2017 at 04:44

Wr1tt3n by Waffel, 14.07.2017 at 04:39

Wr1tt3n by Helly, 13.07.2017 at 15:20

Wr1tt3n by brianwl, 13.07.2017 at 15:10

I'd like to see the source on your stats ... international comparisons show Israel has an average IQ around 95-102, depending on the sources. Haven't seen too many reliable stats though on race, Though SE asian and Northern European nations tend to score at the top.

Id love to help you with that, but I found it in a book I'm reading for a college course.

I am shocked your book didnt say (white) American average is 140 IQ.

That would just be inaccurate most Americans are retarded.

That was my point . But same goes for your college book saying Jews are at the top, since America has such good ties with Jews. I'd say Asians and Western Europeans are on top.

People who usually believe in these statistics that prove their 'white superiority' tend to be idiots themselves just wanting to feel good when in reality they accomplish nothing. Intelligence is based on the persons character, their upbringing, and opportunities. Not race.

IQ depends pretty much on the environment where the person was educated in, wealthier households tend to potentialize intelligence to the max and education, of coursethere are exceptions to this, but it pretty much depends on the household and environment where the person was raised in.

I actually had a bit of a debate with my aunt about this yesterday, about money (wealth) potentializing intelligence and performance, she disagrees with me though, even though I believe there are dumber people than others, it all comes down to the upbringing and the personality, as Crow accurately said

Wr1tt3n by Crow, 14.07.2017 at 05:22

People who usually believe in these statistics that prove their 'white superiority' tend to be idiots themselves just wanting to feel good when in reality they accomplish nothing. Intelligence is based on the persons character, their upbringing, and opportunities. Not race.

Couldn't have said it any better.

Agree with crow, people with high IQ don't care about race, racism is something that low intelligence people care about, trying to forget about their daily life problens and loses because they have no intelligence to solve them.

Q: Does IQ Matter, do you believe in racial IQ?

A: No, IQ does not matter, it's an extremely vague parameter objectively influenced by many factors separate from races. You're basically arriving to a huge subjective conclusion without objectively direct proofs. Besides, you're somehow insinuating that intelligente = IQ. For that I can only say one word: NO.

To your second question, it does not fucking matter what we believe or not, what we need are facts. Therefor, I present serious doubts regarding the accuracy of such study which you have found cause I got no fact in front of me. Hence, this debate is useless.

PS: whenever you quote a scientific article, it is a MUST to quote it properly by showing the title, authors, year of publication and magazine. Otherwise, these are empty words.

Wr1tt3n by Earthbound, 13.07.2017 at 21:41

Race is mostly sociological - there are more biological differences within races than in between them. If you look purely at the mean, than you could always say "whites" are more this than "blacks," but the problem is that most people don't fall on the mean; that's why generalizing makes no sense. In the UK, Nigerians, Pakistanis, etc are constantly outperforming native British students, and sociologists have noted that London now has one of the top preforming urban school districts in the world because of immigration; in a lot of cases, IQ based on "race" indicates nothing about success in life, only serving to justify regressive social policy.

How can Race be sociological? What the hell? The sociological way of things is man-made, has nothing to do with Race. Race is at most a biological difference. There is a biological difference which can be clearly seen ofc, but it's not relevant for the IQ? Or at most, isn't the key factor for intelligence.

Also, the example you gave on the immigrants outperforming native british students can easily be debunked. It's not a matter of race as you're trying to outline, it's related to the Household itself and Immigrant families desire to have their children outperform the parents and grandparents and so on, giving them the best possible life by allowing them to fully focus on studying.

What drives them to outperform british students in most cases is their desire to attain high goals and excell in School, to secure a better future. Immigrant families always thrive to that, to be successul, that doesn't happen in Education only, it happens in financial and economic ways, when immigrants start up their own businesses and sometimes outperform native-founded businesses. I can give you even another example, in France, the Portuguese immigrants of 50 and 40 years ago are most of the cases owners of the most successful french companies, and employ native-french by the hundreds.


Edit: Didn't want to enter this race bs talk, but I kinda was forced into it, because people going mislead on this

Wr1tt3n by Al Fappino, 14.07.2017 at 08:35

Wr1tt3n by Earthbound, 13.07.2017 at 21:41

Race is mostly sociological - there are more biological differences within races than in between them. If you look purely at the mean, than you could always say "whites" are more this than "blacks," but the problem is that most people don't fall on the mean; that's why generalizing makes no sense. In the UK, Nigerians, Pakistanis, etc are constantly outperforming native British students, and sociologists have noted that London now has one of the top preforming urban school districts in the world because of immigration; in a lot of cases, IQ based on "race" indicates nothing about success in life, only serving to justify regressive social policy.

How can Race be sociological? What the hell? The sociological way of things is man-made, has nothing to do with Race. Race is at most a biological difference. There is a biological difference which can be clearly seen ofc, but it's not relevant for the IQ? Or at most, isn't the key factor for intelligence.

Also, the example you gave on the immigrants outperforming native british students can easily be debunked. It's not a matter of race as you're trying to outline, it's related to the Household itself and Immigrant families desire to have their children outperform the parents and grandparents and so on, giving them the best possible life by allowing them to fully focus on studying.

What drives them to outperform british students in most cases is their desire to attain high goals and excell in School, to secure a better future. Immigrant families always thrive to that, to be successul, that doesn't happen in Education only, it happens in financial and economic ways, when immigrants start up their own businesses and sometimes outperform native-founded businesses. I can give you even another example, in France, the Portuguese immigrants of 50 and 40 years ago are most of the cases owners of the most successful french companies, and employ native-french by the hundreds.


Edit: Didn't want to enter this race bs talk, but I kinda was forced into it, because people going mislead on this

There's even evidence of convergent evolution, which is indicative of a biological benefit.

Wr1tt3n by Helly, 13.07.2017 at 14:07

So my Question is this, based on this data would it be appropriate to say some people are more capable of doing certain tasks then others, or do you think IQ is not an important indicator of proficiency or productivity?

Certain people do possess a superior ability to think than others. It does correlates, to some degree, with IQ.

But I think it's a mistake to say that people with higher IQ are more mentally capable, because IQ tests are rather specific in what they test for.

Wr1tt3n by Helly, 13.07.2017 at 14:07

Do you think this study is racist or factual?

Wr1tt3n by Helly, 13.07.2017 at 15:20

I'd love to help you with that, but I found it in a book I'm reading for a college course.

Without knowing the source or the methodology, I cannot say. I usually do not put much faith in studies unless it comes from a source I trust and has a logically sound methodology.

Whether a study is racist or factual has a lot to do with how a study is done and nothing at all to do with what the results show. You've only given us the results.

Wr1tt3n by Helly, 13.07.2017 at 14:07

Btw have you taken an IQ test before?

As far as I can remember, no.

Wr1tt3n by Witch-Doctor, 13.07.2017 at 14:12

IQ is incredibly unreliable since a lot of it is influenced by how you are raised. Growing up in a wealthy household that encourages education is more important than being born a certain way. The obvious exception is being born with a debilitating mental deficiency.

Nature versus nurture is an age-old argument that never really gets resolved. I personally believe that for most people, nurture - how a person is raised - is by and large is more important to general intelligence than nature - genetic and other such prior factors.

But, I'd like to add to your point. Not only will you receive a better education if you grow up in a wealthy household, but you will also grow up in a healthier environment. Starving or being afflicted with severe diseases in one's formative years is bad for one's intelligence.

If the statistics that the original poster posted is accurate and it isn't some poorly-done sham study, I'd actually propose that the conditions in which children are raised is a significant cause of racial intelligence gaps.

Wr1tt3n by Khal.eesi, 13.07.2017 at 20:02

Question 2 : Based on the table who would you want as an immigrant/refugee in your country?

Answer: I would prefer Asians and Jews personally, the data suggest also a correlation of the IQ charts with lower crime rate, so theres that too. Sounds the smart thing to pick, has nothing to do with racism, its just in our best interest.

I actually discussed this with a few of my friends: how in several European countries, East Asian immigrants have lower crime rates than the native population. I thought that maybe it has to do with the fact that East Asian countries are economically developed, don't have a large criminal culture, and/or don't produce desperate war refugees.

But my friend actually proposed a possible alternate hypothesis that I found interesting. What kind of East Asian, really, goes to Europe to work? Maybe there is something about Europe that just attracts the more law-abiding portion of East Asian society.

In the absence of any evidence for or against, I'm inclined to intuitively disagree, but it's an interesting hypothesis nonetheless.

Wr1tt3n by Guest, 13.07.2017 at 21:21

-snip-

Let me rephrase that for you:

"My intellect cannot understand why someone would make this decision. The decision must therefore be a stupid one that only stupid people make."

10/10 reasoning there, chap.