The Holes in Trump's Agenda
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It was a bad day when Trump was elected president. It was an even worse day when he started following through on some of his promises.
Weeeeeeeellllll, it isn't. Trump can easily be debunked on several of the cornerstones of his agenda, upon which there isn't much left of him.
IMMIGRATION
Terrorists
Trump has prevented immigration from several countries for 90 days to "prevent terrorists from getting in". The thing is, this isn't going to be effective at all: Your chances of being killed by an immigrant or a refugee terrorist is 1 in 3.6 billion. You're more likely to be killed by a lightning strike or an armed toddler. Therefore, it is more logical to ban toddlers for 90 days and save more lives.
The Wall
The wall across the Mexican border is also a defining part of Trump's agenda. However, it's going to be tricky for him to get it to do anything.
Say that you are Trump, and you build a wall. It's a nice wall, 20 feet high, it's the best wall they've ever seen. But the illegal immigrants still come. You check and you see that they have 21 foot tall ladders to get over the wall. So you make it higher, but they get 31 foot tall ladders. You put barbed wire on top of the wall, but their ladders just get a bit taller. So you get guards to patrol the top of the wall; if anybody comes up, they get detained.
But they still keep on coming through. You look and you find that they dig tunnels under the wall. So you get tremor sensors that alert your guards when somebody is trying to dig / crawl through. The illegal immigrants stop coming through, and the wall works beautifully. However, the wall is a larger version of the Berlin Wall, and we all know how well that ended up (hint: badly). And eventually, you find that the illegal immigrants are still coming through. You look and you look and you realize that you spent $50 billion dollars on a wall that doesn't even work because the immigrants can take a boat.
Paying for the Wall
Trump said that Mexico would pay for the wall he built. They refused. So, Trump said that Mexico will pay for the wall with a 20% import tax on goods from Mexico. Let's have an example:
Miguel sells salsa to John for $5 per jar. Then, the import tax comes along, so Miguel sells the salsa for $6, the US gets its $1, but Miguel still gets $5 dollars in profit. Who paid for the wall?
The American Consumer.
So in reality, the American people will pay for a wall that doesn't work.
The Environment
This just makes me sad. There is undeniable proof that the climate is changing; 2016 was the hottest year on record. The famines in Africa? That's because of pollution. Species are losing their habitat and their lives thanks to humans, and now we've elected a president who believes that the climate is not changing. He is going to try to build the North Dakota Access Pipeline and the Keystone Pipeline so we can all die from climate change faster. Fun. NOT. In case you need some convincing, take into account that 97% of all scientists agree that the climate is changing.
CONCLUSION
Trump's agenda is wrong and flawed, and all that's left now is a psychopath with such a distorted view of reality that it's scary af. So unless we get him impeached ASAP, we're going to all end up dead.
That was pretty depressing, I admit.
"I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo.
"So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us."
― J.R.R. Tolkien, The Fellowship of the Ring
"The world is indeed full of peril, and in it there are many dark places; but still there is much that is fair, and though in all lands love is now mingled with grief, it grows perhaps the greater."
― J.R.R. Tolkien, The Fellowship of the Ring
"There, peeping among the cloud-wrack above a dark tor high up in the mountains, Sam saw a white star twinkle for a while. The beauty of it smote his heart, as he looked up out of the forsaken land, and hope returned to him. For like a shaft, clear and cold, the thought pierced him that in the end the Shadow was only a small and passing thing: there was light and high beauty for ever beyond its reach."
― J.R.R. Tolkien, The Return of the King
That's better. Anyways, there's work to do.
Weeeeeeeellllll, it isn't. Trump can easily be debunked on several of the cornerstones of his agenda, upon which there isn't much left of him.
IMMIGRATION
Terrorists
Trump has prevented immigration from several countries for 90 days to "prevent terrorists from getting in". The thing is, this isn't going to be effective at all: Your chances of being killed by an immigrant or a refugee terrorist is 1 in 3.6 billion. You're more likely to be killed by a lightning strike or an armed toddler. Therefore, it is more logical to ban toddlers for 90 days and save more lives.
The Wall
The wall across the Mexican border is also a defining part of Trump's agenda. However, it's going to be tricky for him to get it to do anything.
Say that you are Trump, and you build a wall. It's a nice wall, 20 feet high, it's the best wall they've ever seen. But the illegal immigrants still come. You check and you see that they have 21 foot tall ladders to get over the wall. So you make it higher, but they get 31 foot tall ladders. You put barbed wire on top of the wall, but their ladders just get a bit taller. So you get guards to patrol the top of the wall; if anybody comes up, they get detained.
But they still keep on coming through. You look and you find that they dig tunnels under the wall. So you get tremor sensors that alert your guards when somebody is trying to dig / crawl through. The illegal immigrants stop coming through, and the wall works beautifully. However, the wall is a larger version of the Berlin Wall, and we all know how well that ended up (hint: badly). And eventually, you find that the illegal immigrants are still coming through. You look and you look and you realize that you spent $50 billion dollars on a wall that doesn't even work because the immigrants can take a boat.
Paying for the Wall
Trump said that Mexico would pay for the wall he built. They refused. So, Trump said that Mexico will pay for the wall with a 20% import tax on goods from Mexico. Let's have an example:
Miguel sells salsa to John for $5 per jar. Then, the import tax comes along, so Miguel sells the salsa for $6, the US gets its $1, but Miguel still gets $5 dollars in profit. Who paid for the wall?
The American Consumer.
So in reality, the American people will pay for a wall that doesn't work.
The Environment
This just makes me sad. There is undeniable proof that the climate is changing; 2016 was the hottest year on record. The famines in Africa? That's because of pollution. Species are losing their habitat and their lives thanks to humans, and now we've elected a president who believes that the climate is not changing. He is going to try to build the North Dakota Access Pipeline and the Keystone Pipeline so we can all die from climate change faster. Fun. NOT. In case you need some convincing, take into account that 97% of all scientists agree that the climate is changing.
CONCLUSION
Trump's agenda is wrong and flawed, and all that's left now is a psychopath with such a distorted view of reality that it's scary af. So unless we get him impeached ASAP, we're going to all end up dead.
That was pretty depressing, I admit.
"I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo.
"So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us."
― J.R.R. Tolkien, The Fellowship of the Ring
"The world is indeed full of peril, and in it there are many dark places; but still there is much that is fair, and though in all lands love is now mingled with grief, it grows perhaps the greater."
― J.R.R. Tolkien, The Fellowship of the Ring
"There, peeping among the cloud-wrack above a dark tor high up in the mountains, Sam saw a white star twinkle for a while. The beauty of it smote his heart, as he looked up out of the forsaken land, and hope returned to him. For like a shaft, clear and cold, the thought pierced him that in the end the Shadow was only a small and passing thing: there was light and high beauty for ever beyond its reach."
― J.R.R. Tolkien, The Return of the King
That's better. Anyways, there's work to do.
You forgot you didn't had nuclear war during cold war, but you think you will have one... You fell for russian bots, this is one kind of hybrid warfare
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That doesnt prove how no fly zone increases terrorist funding. Hillary can choose not to have a no fly zone but terrorist funding still happens. If the zone and terrorist are different policies, then why was khal trying to word his arguement so it sounds like one causes the other.
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Because English is his second language and he clearly didn't mean it that way.  They are two unrelated policies there is no causal relationship between them. (Although Clinton supports both)
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PLOT TWIST!!! I am not a conservative  I am an agnostic raging faggot, pro choice, pro enviroment, pro drugs, big government advocate, free speech supporter and social progressive. So much that i believe men not being allowed to wear high heels and makeup, whites not able to call black people niggers and countries not able to deport all illegal immigrants yesterday, is highly oppressive and fascism. Women, black men and muslims should check their privilege. So by definition im a liberal. One that agrees with alot of policies and ideals that conservatives align themselves with. That makes me a skeptic, that values logic and reason and not a lying, hypocrite like most of the liberals have turned themselves into. I feel insulted even being called a liberal anymore. I want no association with todays libtard fascists, i cringe even at the idea of inhaling the same molecules that ve been in their filthy mouth. If i dint need oxygen to live i would stop breathing.
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Indeed english is not my native language, i apologize if i make ill use of it That being said, i did mean it that way, in fact i believe that establishing the no fly-zone in Syria, correlates highly with the continuation of terrorist activity in the M.E.
Because there is an intricate relationship between those two. Having a no-fly zone over Syria would mean conflict of interests with Russia, which in turn would mean the continuation of proxy wars, terrorist funding and conflicting military actions against ISIS targets, to name a few.
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Well yes, but you could technically have a no-fly zone and not bother with proxy wars. The two aren't causally related. But I think we can agree that both are undesirable and it would be best if American neocons stopped trying to force democracy on the Middle East... anyways my mistake
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Im a centrist because I see good in policies of both side. The fact that im supporting the left now is because of the sheer amount of bullshit ive seen from the right recently. Right wingers gave obama so much shit when he was in office but now when Trump ia given shit, they cant stand it. Very rarely do I see people defend Trump's policies and cabinet appointment with actual fact. People keep redirecting the debate to making fun of liberals and Hillary. I cant stand the bullshit echo chamber effect that is going on. An example of this is when people criticize how the wall wont fucking work. Right wingers redirect by saying "Oh Trump is actually keeping his promises. Hillary would lie about her policies" I liked both side equally, but recently I'm leaning left.
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Look i get mad at conservatives too, but you have to judge Trump independently and not as a republican. He had to use the Republican party and he had to use populism, to reach his goal which was, being the President. Now people rioting, destroying private property, beating up Trump supporters and creating a chaos globally will not help anyone. Media being so biased and anti-Trump and liberals trashtalking and judging him so much, without him even having a chance to lead, he literally just took office, is ridiculous. Give the man some time. We know he will make mistakes, but he is offering change, lets see where that leads. If anything, the comparison with Hillary serves as "the less of two evils" and the comparison with Obama serve to point out the disgusting hypocrisy of the Democratic party.
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I would cut Trump some slack except Republicans inpeded Obama during his presidency every step of the way. People thought Obama would cause the end of the US. Everything he did was criticized nonstop. Filibusters after filibusters and they gutted The ACA so that it is nothing like the original idea. Then after crippling the ACA, they used it as a talking point. Oh obamacare is so shit, we need to get rid of it now. Every policies that Obama and the democrats tried to put out was hindered. Obama was accused of not being bi-partisan and when he attempted to appoint a republican as a supreme court justice, the same accusers didnt even give the nominee a hearinf. He got shoved aside. The supreme court was missing a justice because republicans kept boycotting the vote. When Trump nominated a very right wing supreme court and democrats tried to boycott the vote. While the democrats were away the republicans voted to suspend senatorial convention and voted on the justice without the dema. What kind of stupid bullshit is that. Some years ago when the senate had to vote on a budget, republicans irresponsibly refused to come to an agreement and like little pouting toddlers, they caused the government to be shut down for days. Now that the presidency, the legislative, and the judicial branch is controled by republicans. They can do whatever the fuck they want. I even more critical of ANTTHING republicans do because it is now all in their hands. The fact that they have more control unlike the dems during the obama years is a good reason to not cut any of them, nevertheless Donald Trump any slack.
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bots what is that/
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Trump has an agenda? I thought we were just going to laugh ourselves off for a few months and then he'll resign
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1st if he isnt destroying any alliances why the EU is already against him+ all the muslims+ China The only ally he has is Israel and that's because the husband of his daughter is a jew. 2nd China has almost the same GDP as USA and a growth of 6% per year. EU will embrace China along with Africa and South America if USA continues to do this shit ( insulting, provocating, etc) 3rd A Thai could not know Ukrainian situation as A ukrainian cant know Thailand situation 4th I didnt say USA was good. I said if USA would let Russia invade with full force again Baltic States, Ukraine , etc....., Russia would just do the same as USSR opressing minorities, destroying entire nations, etc.. USA did a bunch of errors but defending Russia by saying USA wasn't good is being a dumbshit. 5th I am trying to give him a chance but its impossible if he goes against all: China, Muslim World, Australia, Europe, etc... Some of his economic proposals are good but if he needs NY State money to save his company how he will govern an economy? Plus in his month what good things he did? Not letting in Iranian movie directors which went to receive an Oscar? NOT LETTING IN PEOPLE WHO HAVE RECEIVED LEGALLY THE GREEN CARD? Provocating China and threaten the second world power? Suck dick of Putin? Ignoring Australian President? Announcing a building of wall which wont be paid by Mexico? Being a psycho and announcing taxes and walls against Mexico and next day telling I love mexicans? Ehm the list could be larger but this is a very very bad start and it wont improve I guess..
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Anyone with brain can make that. Plus I dont think many people used 9/11 to get money like he did lmao.
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>anyone with a brain  most lottary winners fail even with 100mil + money and trump succeded with 1 mil
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Now see, i cant do this. I am sorry but i cant waste my time with someone who dumbs down international relations to " Israel allied USA just because Trumps son in law is jewish". I mean, jesus christ LOL xD p.s. im not from thailand..
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Here Ill take a crack at it, while noble that you check both sides and align your ideals with ideas instead of colours, there is perhaps some bias you seem to have picked up from news sources. By definition all major news sources including fox are owned by people who align themselves with the establishment left or right depending which lap dog is in office. Therefore these rich men push there bias on there employees at these news agencies. When doing so they tarnish there credibility but more importantly they focus on issues they want you to think about guiding your opinion making. For example I'll use what you said above. "Right wingers gave obama so much shit when he was in office but now when Trump ia given shit, they cant stand it." This would be because the place you are extracting your news from is biased, people did dispute Obamas decisions frequently, and thats ok because republicans did so the right way in a political setting using avenues available to debate something they disagreed with, using government tactics, nobody payed rioters to run through the streets destroying property while Obama was in office even If some of the things he did, namely Obama care and women in combat rolls made me cringe (<---- a debate for another time don't derail topic) while with Donald Trump they knit pick things that really don't matter, such as what you wrote above, cabinet choices. Which Obama had some shit choices to. They are employees and have a boss, they are not politicians dictated by law they must listen to donald trump. But I'm rambling the point I was trying to make is that it really doesn't matter, in comparison to using executive orders to force a socialist healthcare system on a nation that would of never signed it into law, as an example. As for the wall, you are correct it won't stop drug cartels, but it will stop low income families with no education just fine, which is also a problem, but more importantly just like the hoover dam projects such as these can give a strong boost to the economy with the jobs they create. A better use of our resources would be to force the Mexican government to let american forces destroy some of the established cartels weakening there organizations and there abilities to push drugs. Aswell if your running into those without an actual opinion who redirect conversations your debating with the wrong people. Both sides have a insurmountable group of pesants who act like politics are like local soccer clubs more then look at what there actually saying. But to revisit my original point you need to understand the news biased who covered up for there companion obama, and are knit picking the outsider opponent trump. Not because hes left or right, but instead because Obama was part of there lobbyist controlled establishment who will push there agendas when asked, while donald trump was an independent who hijacked the Republican nomination (republican party is also establishment, the two party system is rigged) An outsider they can not control neither left or right can control. So instead they grasp at straws and try to turn the public against him through a furious publicity campign.
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I see that dumb ass free warrior is back in form after I kicked his ass in the last topic he reared his ugly head in. The reason why free warrior is bad for the left is because he's arguing like a child using Baseless claims that are more like feelings then actual thought, and the minute people bring facts to his emotionally based fairly tale he runs away. So this is a public service announcement just ignore free warrior he leans left because they make his feels get an erections not because of facts.
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Never in my life saw such demonization of American president by Americans themselves.
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And here we go again Do you people really have nothing else to talk about? All you guys can Get a grip on your lifes already ffs.
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Why you judge people for their interests? I assume you believe that watching pop music videos and teenage youtubers talking about celebrity gossip and reality shows is superior?
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even if he started with 40 mil dollars he made that number into 3.7 bilion
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Barged into a thread, insulted 20 people for commenting and a lot more who are reading, now claims the moral highground.. Are you ok buddy? Why are you attacking us? I just told you to be more polite and tolerant to the people here.. 
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They said that when 2016. was kicking off, then brexit happened, then trump won.......the longer you keep ignoring the problem the larger we become in numbers. Individualy we might not be able to do anything, but in large numbers we make the change.
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Change in what? The sooner the humand kind should ger extinct? I agree
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I would marry Trump (and do whatever he wanted...sexually) for half his money and a dress 
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Islamic terrorism is 52 times more likely to kill an American than so-called 'Right-Wing' terrorism (though Left-Wing terrorism is rampant). Importing Muslims will only increase this number. Even if they themselves don't commit violence, there children are even more likely. Every Islamic terrorist was the child of an immigrant. There is no economic or social net-benefit gain to third world immigration. The ban will lower violence and terrorism.
It will. It's symbolic and a major deterrence. Americans have demanded one for decades.
Emotional bullshit. The Berlin wall kept people in, not out. No one is going to stop you moving to Mexico or other parts of the third world. By all means, you are more than welcome. In fact, please do, get out of the West.
No they can't. The US has one of the best coast guards in the world.
Mexico will likely pay for the wall. Most foreign aid doesn't go to the people, it goes to big businesses who lobby and fund politicians. Foreign aid cuts hurt those people who will lobby the President to pay for it. Personally, I don't agree with making Mexico paying for it. I also don't think Trump intends to make them pay for it. It was after all something said in the moment that caught on.
Then enjoy losing out to America companies who are paying less tax. That's the point of the tariff.
And none of the policies put through by globalists will do a damn thing about it. They merely want higher taxation and urbanization. They aren't putting a single penny into alternative energy.
No it wont. Oil is going to get pumped out and used anyway.
Wrong. This study was done in the 1990s and is very flawed. There is significant debate on the issue of whether mankind is having an effect. There are major problems but liberal policies aren't going to solve it. You'd do more benefit by not importing the third world and stop sending aid to the third world so they'll stop having so many children that add to the overall environmental impact. You people would never do that, you don't give a damn about the enviroment otherwise you would enforce strict social conservative measures to counter these problems. It's all virtue signalling.
Bullshit. Trump shows no traits. Hes tame compared to the other globalist shitbag politicians bombing Islamic countries and arming terrorists.
No, you're naive and just virtue signalling. Everything you are saying is repetitive talking points from progressive globalists who don't give a flying fuck about the People or their concerns.
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By not accepting illegal third worlders? Australia didn't want them which is why they were sending them to the US. Why should America take them? Any sane Australian will agree. Send them all back. Fuck cuck governments. Fuck the elites of Europe that the people hate. They are terrified of Trump who is opposing their power.
Clinton wanted to 'ring China with missiles'. That isn't a Trump policy. Trump only wants to change trade deals. Oh no!!!
With what? A failing infrastructure and a housing bubble that will cripple them? China isn't going to do shit.
Who cares? The US has arguably been pushing conflicts there and now Trump is washing his hands of it.
'Muh Russia'. Russia has no territorial desires in Eastern Europe. It would be a burden. Crimea was mostly a reaction to secure their military access to the Mediterranean.
He's the best America president the US has had in 70 years. It's incredible watching him work.
No, we'll see a breakdown in politics and economics as globalists prepare to tank the economy. But his policies are beautiful. And I bet you can't name a single one that's bad for the American People.
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Like in Libya? That worked wonders didn't it? Libya is doing so great now isn't i- oh wait, it's a hellhole. Good job! And how exactly are they going to stop Russian jets? Ask them nicely? No, they'll shoot them down over a foreign sovereign nations territory who has explicitly stated that the US should leave and that only Russia has access. How the hell is that not the start of a war or a major escalation towards one? Fucking Liberals.
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