Quite an interesting watch (not troll)

Pretty cool video I found, after watching from the start you start to get pretty disappointed late 90's onwards in how music has come.

Interesting video mate, thanks for sharing. In case you're wondering: increased commercialisation will destroy every form of art and creative field. Don't expect it to get any better.

Wr1tt3n by Guest, 19.02.2017 at 09:20

Pretty cool video I found, after watching from the start you start to get pretty disappointed late 90's onwards in how music has come.

Around 1978, the effects of the growing social cancer begin to show and start eating away at the body. You can smell the rot by the beginning of the 90s, and by 2013, there's nothing left worth saving. This is the lifespan of a civilization. It begins with struggle, strife and of a sad sorrowful song of overcoming lifes difficulties. You can hear the bond between people as they persevere through the pain. That pain will be remembered with fondness and as a warning throughout time. The end is a jovial but sinister unrepentant bash of decadence, unaware that its rampant irresponsibility & joy in its unearned sense of superiority - while forgetting the pain which gave it life - will lead to doom, resetting the cycle into one of struggle and suffering once more. What is good will be remembered and what is trash shall be forgotten.

Do not fret, this is the way of things. It is in times of struggle where Legends are made and we are fast approaching it. The forest fire will cleanse the wilderness and allow new trees to bloom, and we shall soon be singing the sorrowful songs of heroes once again.

Let it burn.

Civilization can't save itself, learn from your ancestors mistakes and fight for humanity. Because if we fail here I fear there won't be another golden age, not for a very long time, humanity has become like cancer and spread throughout earth, there is to many of us, I doubt even cataclysm can slow are spread now, so the only choice is to fight our nature and save our species.if not us then who? Atwar at one time drew intellectuals to its gates and I respect many of the old guard for there intellect, and I plead to fight harder for humanity then you did atwar, because we know what happened here.

It's a virtual reality, just do better next game.

Wr1tt3n by Tik-Tok, 20.02.2017 at 11:51

Let it burn.

Some people just want to see it all burn....

Very interesting vid. Thanks for sharing.

Wr1tt3n by learster, 19.02.2017 at 22:43

Interesting video mate, thanks for sharing. In case you're wondering: increased commercialisation will destroy every form of art and creative field. Don't expect it to get any better.

This largely depends on perspective and taste. I honestly see a lot of music right now being quite great, though none of it is necessarily popular. I've been on a nostalgia rush for Seapunk and Fashwave lately. Underground, non-commercialized music is always pretty legit.

Wr1tt3n by Tik-Tok, 20.02.2017 at 11:51

Around 1978, the effects of the growing social cancer begin to show and start eating away at the body. You can smell the rot by the beginning of the 90s, and by 2013, there's nothing left worth saving. This is the lifespan of a civilization. It begins with struggle, strife and of a sad sorrowful song of overcoming lifes difficulties. You can hear the bond between people as they persevere through the pain. That pain will be remembered with fondness and as a warning throughout time. The end is a jovial but sinister unrepentant bash of decadence, unaware that its rampant irresponsibility & joy in its unearned sense of superiority - while forgetting the pain which gave it life - will lead to doom, resetting the cycle into one of struggle and suffering once more. What is good will be remembered and what is trash shall be forgotten.

Do not fret, this is the way of things. It is in times of struggle where Legends are made and we are fast approaching it. The forest fire will cleanse the wilderness and allow new trees to bloom, and we shall soon be singing the sorrowful songs of heroes once again.

Let it burn.

The edgelord cometh. But in actuality civilizations do not crumble because of 'social cancer', rather the transfusion of culture into a multiplicative one; The loss of a nation's identity results in the loss of the nation itself, unless it an adapt slowly. Your perspective is-- as always-- pessimistic and keenly edgy in such a way that it implies you have a beautiful katana collection and probably a hatrack filled to-the-brim with your favorite fedoras. Nonethless, you should probably be writing poetry, your writing is perplexing. That was a compliment.

After listening i have to agree... some of those old songs aren't necessarily signs of a society with any higher morals. Sexism and racism were culturally accepted and reflected in the music then and now, and while these values may still reflect the masses, our present culture is at least making an effort, even if superficial, to be more sensitive and aware to these issues. ♥

Wr1tt3n by Guest, 21.02.2017 at 10:14

This largely depends on perspective and taste. I honestly see a lot of music right now being quite great, though none of it is necessarily popular. I've been on a nostalgia rush for Seapunk and Fashwave lately. Underground, non-commercialized music is always pretty legit.

There will always be a niche and I wasn't referring to it, as it has no social impact. More important is the impact of mainstream media's continuous degeneration under commercial pressure.

Wr1tt3n by Guest, 21.02.2017 at 10:14

The edgelord cometh. But in actuality civilizations do not crumble because of 'social cancer', rather the transfusion of culture into a multiplicative one; The loss of a nation's identity results in the loss of the nation itself, unless it an adapt slowly. Your perspective is-- as always-- pessimistic and keenly edgy in such a way that it implies you have a beautiful katana collection and probably a hatrack filled to-the-brim with your favorite fedoras. Nonethless, you should probably be writing poetry, your writing is perplexing. That was a compliment.

What are you even trying to do here Garde? One and a half sentences on the topic and the rest ad hominem. Looking to score some brownie points?
You might as well have said the same thing as Tik, for his social cancer is the loss of nation you refer to. And if his pessimism has no merit to it- what makes you optimistic about the future?

Great video. Oh those American 50's man, so cool. Great music, culture, style, clothes, everything. If i could choose where and when to live that would be it.

Wr1tt3n by learster, 21.02.2017 at 17:24

Wr1tt3n by Guest, 21.02.2017 at 10:14

This largely depends on perspective and taste. I honestly see a lot of music right now being quite great, though none of it is necessarily popular. I've been on a nostalgia rush for Seapunk and Fashwave lately. Underground, non-commercialized music is always pretty legit.

There will always be a niche and I wasn't referring to it, as it has no social impact. More important is the impact of mainstream media's continuous degeneration under commercial pressure.

Wr1tt3n by Guest, 21.02.2017 at 10:14

The edgelord cometh. But in actuality civilizations do not crumble because of 'social cancer', rather the transfusion of culture into a multiplicative one; The loss of a nation's identity results in the loss of the nation itself, unless it an adapt slowly. Your perspective is-- as always-- pessimistic and keenly edgy in such a way that it implies you have a beautiful katana collection and probably a hatrack filled to-the-brim with your favorite fedoras. Nonethless, you should probably be writing poetry, your writing is perplexing. That was a compliment.

What are you even trying to do here Garde? One and a half sentences on the topic and the rest ad hominem. Looking to score some brownie points?
You might as well have said the same thing as Tik, for his social cancer is the loss of nation you refer to. And if his pessimism has no merit to it- what makes you optimistic about the future?

You qualified your statement, FYI. Not to mention you made a hasty conclusion and committed a simplified slippery slope fallacy in your statement. Anyhow, what I was 'doing there' was disproving his stormweenie viewpoint of the western world. Why was my second statement ad hominem? Because it's absolutely hilarious to me how he decided to word his entire argument from some sort of dystopian Mad Max-esque worldview. "The Time of Legends" and so on. Very cringeworthy. Not to mention that stormfags wouldn't even be the ones reclaiming such a cursed Earth. Anyways, my and his statements differ in the sense that he does not speak of culture as a unit by which societies fall and rise. Why do I remain optimistic? Considering Euroskepticism is growing, Donald Trump is my president, my university isn't caving to the far left anymore, and I happen to live in the Rust Belt, I have no reason not to be optimistic. If I was living in a social justice shithole like Germany though I could understand your absolutism and avid pessimism.

Wr1tt3n by Guest, 21.02.2017 at 19:34

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Wr1tt3n by Guest, 21.02.2017 at 19:34

You qualified your statement, FYI. Not to mention you made a hasty conclusion and committed a simplified slippery slope fallacy in your statement. Anyhow, what I was 'doing there' was disproving his stormweenie viewpoint of the western world. Why was my second statement ad hominem? Because it's absolutely hilarious to me how he decided to word his entire argument from some sort of dystopian Mad Max-esque worldview. "The Time of Legends" and so on. Very cringeworthy. Not to mention that stormfags wouldn't even be the ones reclaiming such a cursed Earth. Anyways, my and his statements differ in the sense that he does not speak of culture as a unit by which societies fall and rise. Why do I remain optimistic? Considering Euroskepticism is growing, Donald Trump is my president, my university isn't caving to the far left anymore, and I happen to live in the Rust Belt, I have no reason not to be optimistic. If I was living in a social justice shithole like Germany though I could understand your absolutism and avid pessimism.

Your grandstanding language is actually no less cringeworthy than TikToks. The only thing that makes it worse is that it's not genuine but try-hard in it's attempt to be intellectually distinctive compared to the, as you no doubt think about them, lesser forum users. Get real mate.

Wr1tt3n by Guest, 21.02.2017 at 10:14

The edgelord cometh. But in actuality civilizations do not crumble because of 'social cancer', rather the transfusion of culture into a multiplicative one; The loss of a nation's identity results in the loss of the nation itself, unless it an adapt slowly. Your perspective is-- as always-- pessimistic and keenly edgy in such a way that it implies you have a beautiful katana collection and probably a hatrack filled to-the-brim with your favorite fedoras. Nonethless, you should probably be writing poetry, your writing is perplexing. That was a compliment.

Opposing social decay isn't edgy, nor is allowing the decay to eat itself away in the hopes of a better future. Economic failure is coming and times of struggle are on their way. & in that time, legends will rise as they always do.

Yes, almost all Great Civilizations fell due to social cancer. They all fell to wanton decadence, weakness and either arose into Empires or fell to barbarian hordes. Every religion predicts its civilizations fall from social decay and turning away from ancient natural traditions. A nation is its people and it can survive brutality from the 'Other' but it will not survive if it fails top uphold the traditions which made it 'whole'.

The West is no different. It's soft weakness has allowed nepotistic parasitical groups to re engineer it and is now being invaded by barbarian hordes.

I didn't open the gates, I didn't promote the decadence or the insane social policies. I'm just keenly aware of their inevitable conclusion and wish for this process to speed up. It is you who has approved the process and still believes it's working. You partake in the decadence and you will realize in your later years - if you live that long - that your decadent desires will lead you to misery.

Wr1tt3n by brianwl, 21.02.2017 at 12:32

After listening i have to agree... some of those old songs aren't necessarily signs of a society with any higher morals.

Wholesome families, solid communities, men willing to defend their nation, free speech, free discussion, low taxes and vast opportunities. Yes, these people had higher morals. Anyone who denies this hasn't looked at a single graph of data documenting crime, divorce, infidelity, illegitimacy, single parenthood, state expenses.

Wr1tt3n by brianwl, 21.02.2017 at 12:32

Sexism and racism were culturally accepted and reflected in the music then

Only a prog would think these are ultimate evils. Especially considering how the entire world is far more 'racist' & 'sexist' compared to anything the Americans did in the 1800s. Arabs still practice slavery for fuck sake.

Wr1tt3n by brianwl, 21.02.2017 at 12:32

and now,

What racism occurs in music today? 'Muh cultural appropriation'

Wr1tt3n by brianwl, 21.02.2017 at 12:32

and while these values may still reflect the masses,

They don't. If pop music decided elections and votes, Clinton would be president and Britain wouldn't be leaving the EU,.The divide between the masses and music is greater than ever before.

Wr1tt3n by brianwl, 21.02.2017 at 12:32

our present culture is at least making an effort, even if superficial, to be more sensitive and aware to these issues. ♥

Yes, 'fuck dat boi pussy' 'shake dat ass' & songs of sucking dick are massive moral leaps. I'm so glad we're more aware of how evil 'da white man' is while violent crime against white people is growing stronger than ever as most western states are incapable of properly enforcing the Law. Fan-fucking-tastic. Society has grown so much better with safe spaces and women declaring that acne is a feminist issue while masculinity is deemed 'toxic'.

The post Trump 'Womens March' had no actual message other than tampon taxation; the entire event was the height of arrogance. It was arranged months before as a celebration for Clinton's victory as it was just assumed that she would win. It became an anti-male, anti-Trump protest as soon as he won. One of the Feminist leaders at the 'Womens March' wants Sharia Law in the US. Monumental achievements! ♥

Wr1tt3n by Guest, 21.02.2017 at 19:34

Why do I remain optimistic? Considering Euroskepticism is growing, Donald Trump is my president, my university isn't caving to the far left anymore, and I happen to live in the Rust Belt, I have no reason not to be optimistic. If I was living in a social justice shithole like Germany though I could understand your absolutism and avid pessimism.

I worked very hard to help get Trump elected - and for good reasons - but not a single policy Trump is pursuing can save the American economy. It didn't matter who won, the economic trajectory remains the same. There is a far bigger picture and direction at play regarding all of these events. The social crisis is coming to a boiling point, but what sides there will be and how strong they are will depend on how these events are manipulated.

Your sense of superiority is baffling, especially considering your naivety. Do you really think Euroskepticism and Trumps ascent will overcome the enormous debt & the social crisis? You think academia isn't still controlled by malicious progressives and Marxists? I would have happily supported Clinton over any other Republican candidate other than Trump. But Trump represented something far more than I could ever have hoped for.

Obama polarized and now Trump polarizes. Trumps rhetoric is shifting the masses into a direction while forcing the Left to be even more open about its intentions. Liberalism is dying. Both sides of the political table are radicalizing and abandoning the center. The Left will enter into the similar 'Days of Rage' it had in the 60s and 70s, but this time, during an economic crisis. And when the Left shows its truly ugly and violent face, the Right will seek even more radical alternative to oppose them. 'White Nationalism' is normalizing, and many more young Men are entering into an area of politics their forefathers never would have.

I'm not a pessimist. I am very optimistic.

Really cool video. Where would we be without the Beatles, Sinatra, and MJ?

Also would love to see one for the UK

Wr1tt3n by Acquiesce, 23.02.2017 at 20:04

Really cool video. Where would we be without the Beatles, Sinatra, and MJ?

Also would love to see one for the UK

fuk uk

D

Wr1tt3n by Tik-Tok, 23.02.2017 at 19:11

Wr1tt3n by brianwl, 21.02.2017 at 12:32

After listening i have to agree... some of those old songs aren't necessarily signs of a society with any higher morals.

Wholesome families, solid communities, men willing to defend their nation, free speech, free discussion, low taxes and vast opportunities. Yes, these people had higher morals. Anyone who denies this hasn't looked at a single graph of data documenting crime, divorce, infidelity, illegitimacy, single parenthood, state expenses.
♥

Just to be clear, i wasn't denying that people weren't of higher morality back then. Simply saying i wasn't there, and i don't have any personal experience to say one way or another with certainty. I do have personal experience with government funded researchers producing graphs and statistics to serve their agenda, with little consideration as to the rigor with which the data is analysed.

It is entirely possible that the crime statistics of the day were under-reporting due to fewer state resources being poured into law enforcement. It is also possible the social stigma of the time forced people who violated others to put more effort into covering up to avoid detection. Perhaps that 'wholesome' family was in fact committing sodomy every Friday night on their children, but with fewer government agencies to report to, the 'crimes' simply went undetected, and so they in fact may have occurred more regularly, while the statistics show they didn't happen at all.

With respect to divorce, it is generally accepted that the act of a woman not succeeding in her marriage lead to far greater isolation and stigma. It is well documented (again, if you believe these agencies) that women of divorce were frequently shunned from the community and were forced out of their church (a major support network) and so again, it is entirely possible that lower divorce rates, even if they are true, are not a result of higher morals, but of a genuine fear of the repercussions, from both the institution and local community. Perhaps women simply put up with a weekly beating and a rape from their 'wholesome' man, rather than face the humiliation and condemnation of an entire community that would last a lifetime.

How do we know the truth?

The fact is, we can't know, unless we place a blind faith that these 'data' are ultimate truth, and submit to the agencies that provide them. Feel free to submit.

I prefer to question.

Wr1tt3n by Tik-Tok, 23.02.2017 at 19:11

Wr1tt3n by brianwl, 21.02.2017 at 12:32

After listening i have to agree... some of those old songs aren't necessarily signs of a society with any higher morals.

Wholesome families, solid communities, men willing to defend their nation, free speech, free discussion, low taxes and vast opportunities. Yes, these people had higher morals. Anyone who denies this hasn't looked at a single graph of data documenting crime, divorce, infidelity, illegitimacy, single parenthood, state expenses.

Wr1tt3n by brianwl, 21.02.2017 at 12:32

Sexism and racism were culturally accepted and reflected in the music then

Only a prog would think these are ultimate evils. Especially considering how the entire world is far more 'racist' & 'sexist' compared to anything the Americans did in the 1800s. Arabs still practice slavery for fuck sake.

Wr1tt3n by brianwl, 21.02.2017 at 12:32

and now,

What racism occurs in music today? 'Muh cultural appropriation'

Wr1tt3n by brianwl, 21.02.2017 at 12:32

and while these values may still reflect the masses,

They don't. If pop music decided elections and votes, Clinton would be president and Britain wouldn't be leaving the EU,.The divide between the masses and music is greater than ever before.

Wr1tt3n by brianwl, 21.02.2017 at 12:32

our present culture is at least making an effort, even if superficial, to be more sensitive and aware to these issues. ♥

Yes, 'fuck dat boi pussy' 'shake dat ass' & songs of sucking dick are massive moral leaps. I'm so glad we're more aware of how evil 'da white man' is while violent crime against white people is growing stronger than ever as most western states are incapable of properly enforcing the Law. Fan-fucking-tastic. Society has grown so much better with safe spaces and women declaring that acne is a feminist issue while masculinity is deemed 'toxic'.

The post Trump 'Womens March' had no actual message other than tampon taxation; the entire event was the height of arrogance. It was arranged months before as a celebration for Clinton's victory as it was just assumed that she would win. It became an anti-male, anti-Trump protest as soon as he won. One of the Feminist leaders at the 'Womens March' wants Sharia Law in the US. Monumental achievements! ♥

Reading your posts i have come to regard you as your classic conservative god fearing male. I think looking on the late 19th and early 20th century as a sort of golden area of so called morals to be a tad naive. Some of the points you mentioned as examples like infidelity or single parenthood would've been heavily influenced by culture at the time. I see brian touched upon this point. But what fascinates me is that someone like you would include an image of David Bowie in your signature. Surely a man like him would be everything you would stand against.

Wr1tt3n by Permamuted, 24.02.2017 at 20:00

Reading your posts i have come to regard you as your classic conservative god fearing male. I think looking on the late 19th and early 20th century as a sort of golden area of so called morals to be a tad naive. Some of the points you mentioned as examples like infidelity or single parenthood would've been heavily influenced by culture at the time. I see brian touched upon this point. But what fascinates me is that someone like you would include an image of David Bowie in your signature. Surely a man like him would be everything you would stand against.

Trust me, you are not talking to a naive person.

Wr1tt3n by Rock Lee, 25.02.2017 at 08:06

Trust me, you are not talking to a naive person.

Then why make a point about superior morality in older times citing stats on areas such as divorce rates, single parenthood and infidelity. Stats in these areas would be heavily influenced by the culture of society of that time. For example the stigma of having your marriage fail, having a child out of wedlock, living in sin etc. And freedom of discussion? What? Where?

I had this discussion with acqui and to clarify i am not saying modern levels of morality are any better. But as brian pointed you cannot state one way or the other. Nor can you rely too heavily on statistics. To do so would be yes, naive.

Wr1tt3n by Permamuted, 25.02.2017 at 08:51

Wr1tt3n by Rock Lee, 25.02.2017 at 08:06

Trust me, you are not talking to a naive person.

Then why make a point about superior morality in older times citing stats on areas such as divorce rates, single parenthood and infidelity. Stats in these areas would be heavily influenced by the culture of society of that time. For example the stigma of having your marriage fail, having a child out of wedlock, living in sin etc. And freedom of discussion? What? Where?

I had this discussion with acqui and to clarify i am not saying modern levels of morality are any better. But as brian pointed you cannot state one way or the other. Nor can you rely too heavily on statistics. To do so would be yes, naive.

Tik-Tok does not really believe in everything he says. It's logiclly impossible. he has shown double standarts and opposite claims for hundreds of times, he says what has to be said in order to get suppurt and keep his audience motivated and confident and he is obviously no better than the politicans he accuses for treason.

You don't need more than basic knowledge of history to know that nowdays moralities are way higher than 200 or 100 years ago, even the systems and regulators that we so like to hate. governments and leaders did what the hell ever they wanted to their own people, people were sent to scarefice their lives for redicilous selfish reasons, people actively tried to prevent the human progress just to preserve their power, it was barely impossible to protect the human rights not to talk about the human will and obviously the levels of desperations that the regular human needed to deny in order to carry on created insane cultures and religions.

The levels of liberty we are enjoying nowdays, to litterly do whatever we want without anyone to preach us about only one right way is unprecedented, people also say that they miss the 40s, there's no way to take it seriously, and ofcourse, a man who studies history for his living like Tik-Tok already knows that.

Wr1tt3n by brianwl, 24.02.2017 at 18:19

I do have personal experience with government funded researchers producing graphs and statistics to serve their agenda, with little consideration as to the rigor with which the data is analysed.

Representation of data can be altered to give a differing conclusion, but data is still data. Good hard data cannot be argued or altered drastically. Context can be questioned, but that context requires its own data. Data over 100 years cannot be shifted into any major conclusion other than the one the data itself presents.

Wr1tt3n by brianwl, 24.02.2017 at 18:19

It is entirely possible that the crime statistics of the day were under-reporting due to fewer state resources being poured into law enforcement.

Dead bodies, missing people were reported for centuries. We have fairly solid data. Crime was reported. In fact, there is less trust in Police today than ever before.

Wr1tt3n by brianwl, 24.02.2017 at 18:19

It is also possible the social stigma of the time forced people who violated others to put more effort into covering up to avoid detection.

And yet that same social stigma didn't also prevent people committing crimes in the first place? It works both ways. I'd argue that criminals work far harder to cover up their crimes today than before. There are social factors which lead to crime and the biggest single parenthood or abuse. Society today commits more crime and requires heavier prison sentencing precisely because there is more single parenthood and abuse. Broken people have broken children.

Wr1tt3n by brianwl, 24.02.2017 at 18:19

Perhaps that 'wholesome' family was in fact committing sodomy every Friday night on their children, but with fewer government agencies to report to, the 'crimes' simply went undetected, and so they in fact may have occurred more regularly, while the statistics show they didn't happen at all.

Sodomized children usually become violent themselves. If this were prevalent and not pure hyperbole, it would have been influential within crime and in cohesion. Children are far more abused today than pre-1960s during peace time.

Wr1tt3n by brianwl, 24.02.2017 at 18:19

With respect to divorce, it is generally accepted that the act of a woman not succeeding in her marriage lead to far greater isolation and stigma.

Yes. This was a good thing. It was a natural occurrence until the state subsidized these womens (and mens) bad choices.

Wr1tt3n by brianwl, 24.02.2017 at 18:19

It is well documented (again, if you believe these agencies) that women of divorce were frequently shunned from the community and were forced out of their church (a major support network) and so again, it is entirely possible that lower divorce rates, even if they are true, are not a result of higher morals, but of a genuine fear of the repercussions, from both the institution and local community.

That is indeed higher morals. Social negativity should be shunned. But again, Men were also shunned in the same manner. In fact, Men had it far harder as there were many support networks for women who divorced, there were none for Men. Morality is always enforced through negative consequences. The fact that there is less stigma for divorce, dividing families and committing crime shows how utterly morally abhorrent our society has become.

Wr1tt3n by brianwl, 24.02.2017 at 18:19

Perhaps women simply put up with a weekly beating and a rape from their 'wholesome' man, rather than face the humiliation and condemnation of an entire community that would last a lifetime.

Rubbish. Society condemned marital beating. Teddy Roosevelt wanted to bring back corporal punishment specifically for wife beaters. Meanwhile men who were beaten by their wives were rode into town and had rotten vegetables thrown at them. Spousal abuse is higher today, not lower. Why? Because broken people have broken children who commit harmful acts to themselves and those around them. Drug use is far more prevalent as is suicide, anxiety and depression.

Wr1tt3n by brianwl, 24.02.2017 at 18:19

How do we know the truth?

Through data, not make-believe written by feminists with an agenda.

Wr1tt3n by brianwl, 24.02.2017 at 18:19

The fact is, we can't know, unless we place a blind faith that these 'data' are ultimate truth, and submit to the agencies that provide them. Feel free to submit.

It isn't blind faith when there are consistent patterns over a century across nations and continents.

Wr1tt3n by brianwl, 24.02.2017 at 18:19

I prefer to question.

& yet you just presented fiction as fact. I much prefer numbers to Feminist folklore.

Wr1tt3n by Permamuted, 24.02.2017 at 20:00

Reading your posts i have come to regard you as your classic conservative god fearing male.

I'm not a 'Conservative'. I don't want to conserve today's societal standards nor the pasts which led to today's standards. I want something more.

Wr1tt3n by Permamuted, 24.02.2017 at 20:00

I think looking on the late 19th and early 20th century as a sort of golden area of so called morals to be a tad naive. Some of the points you mentioned as examples like infidelity or single parenthood would've been heavily influenced by culture at the time.

Yes, & that's the entire point.

Wr1tt3n by Permamuted, 24.02.2017 at 20:00

I see brian touched upon this point. But what fascinates me is that someone like you would include an image of David Bowie in your signature. Surely a man like him would be everything you would stand against.

That is a direct quote from Bowie. He was by no means a poster child for stability or Western Civilization, but he was on the right track a few times.

Qu0t3:

"It's not the side effects of the cocaine," sang David Bowie on the eponymous named album Station to Station. Which is the opposite of what the late rocker would claim about some of his rather outre political statements from the 1970s. That being said, Bowie's flirtation with fascist symbols and "far right" rhetoric tells us more about the vacuity of the 1960s "counterculture" and its inability to give birth to anything more meaningful than a boring new artistic and intellectual orthodoxy which still plagues us today."

https://altright.com/2017/01/18/fascination/

& these are all quotes from Bowie:

Qu0t3:

"Britain is ready for a fascist leader… I think Britain could benefit from a fascist leader. After all, fascism is really nationalism… I believe very strongly in fascism, people have always responded with greater efficiency under a regimental leadership…Adolf Hitler was one of the first rock stars…You've got to have an extreme right front come up and sweep everything off its feet and tidy everything up."

Qu0t3:

"And, yes, I believe very strongly in fascism. The only way we can speed up the sort of liberalism that's hanging foul in the air at the moment is to speed up the progress of a right-wing, totally dictatorial tyranny and get it over as fast as possible. People have always responded with greater efficiency under a regimental leadership. A liberal wastes time saying, "Well, now, what ideas have you got?" Show them what to do, for God's sake. If you don't, nothing will get done. I can't stand people just hanging about."

Qu0t3:

"Adolf Hitler was one of the first rock stars.. Think about it. Look at some of his films and see how he moved. I think he was quite as good as Mick Jagger. It's astounding. And, boy, when he hit that stage, he worked an audience. Good God! He was no politician. He was a media artist himself. He used politics and theatrics and created this thing that governed and controlled the show for those 12 years. The world will never see his like. He staged a country."

Wr1tt3n by Rock Lee, 25.02.2017 at 09:08

Tik-Tok does not really believe in everything he says.

Wr1tt3n by Rock Lee, 25.02.2017 at 09:08

It's logiclly impossible.

Care to explain specifics? No, you aren't capable of that are you?

Wr1tt3n by Rock Lee, 25.02.2017 at 09:08

he has shown double standarts and opposite claims for hundreds of times,

& yet despite doing this 'hundreds of times' I bet you can't point out a single solitary one. You'll claim you can't be bothered or that 'everyone's seen it' but you can't point out any. The hilarious irony of this is a Zionist who ardently supports and demands foreign funding for Jewish Nationalism denies me White Nationalism. The same hypocritical Zionist will claim Israel shouldn't take in refugees but Europe and America should.

You're the biggest hypocrites of all.

Wr1tt3n by Rock Lee, 25.02.2017 at 09:08

he says what has to be said in order to get suppurt and keep his audience motivated and confident and he is obviously no better than the politicans he accuses for treason.

>discussing ideas, spreading awareness of the social crisis - and its consequences - is the equivalent to politicians bailing out international finance and provoking unnecessary wars (for Israels benefit)

Sure m8!

Wr1tt3n by Rock Lee, 25.02.2017 at 09:08

You don't need more than basic knowledge of history to know that nowdays moralities are way higher than 200 or 100 years ago, even the systems and regulators that we so like to hate.

Prove it. Show data regarding crime, happiness, marriage or cohesion.

Wr1tt3n by Rock Lee, 25.02.2017 at 09:08

governments and leaders did what the hell ever they wanted to their own people,

They still do, only now there is no sense of responsibility. Bad monarchs were evicted in civil wars. Unjustifiable taxes led to rebellion. Today governments can and do enforce laws even the most tyrannical monarchs of yesteryear could only dream of doing.

Wr1tt3n by Rock Lee, 25.02.2017 at 09:08

people were sent to scarefice their lives for redicilous selfish reasons,

How is today any different?

Wr1tt3n by Rock Lee, 25.02.2017 at 09:08

people actively tried to prevent the human progress just to preserve their power,

The powerful people are more powerful than ever.

Wr1tt3n by Rock Lee, 25.02.2017 at 09:08

it was barely impossible to protect the human rights not to talk about the human will and obviously the levels of desperations that the regular human needed to deny in order to carry on created insane cultures and religions.

Says the Zionist... oh the irony.

Wr1tt3n by Rock Lee, 25.02.2017 at 09:08

The levels of liberty we are enjoying nowdays, to litterly do whatever we want without anyone to preach us about only one right way is unprecedented,

Wrong. We are far less 'free' than we were in the pre-1940s: Economically and socially. Taking other peoples money for your 'programs' is not freedom.

Wr1tt3n by Rock Lee, 25.02.2017 at 09:08

people also say that they miss the 40s, there's no way to take it seriously, and ofcourse, a man who studies history for his living like Tik-Tok already knows that.

Which is utterly meaningless. Studying history today is the equivalent to taking a progressive Bible reading lesson. At least the Bible can enforce good morals, progressives certainly don't.

Wr1tt3n by Tik-Tok, 25.02.2017 at 13:35

more of the same

boring you said?

I don't find point doing this, eventually everyone who reads your posts can spot these pattrens, anyways good luck i guess.

Wr1tt3n by Rock Lee, 25.02.2017 at 13:45

I don't find point doing this, eventually everyone who reads your posts can spot these pattrens, anyways good luck i guess.

Called it

Wr1tt3n by Tik-Tok, 25.02.2017 at 13:35

& yet despite doing this 'hundreds of times' I bet you can't point out a single solitary one. You'll claim you can't be bothered or that 'everyone's seen it' but you can't point out any.

You specified 'hundreds' of occasions where I expressed opposing values and inconsistent ideas. You were given the simple task of pointing out just one. Surely, if there are hundreds then it should be easy and instead - as predicted - you bailed and gave some lackluster justification for your retreat.

You support Jewish Nationalism. You demand foreign funding for your Nationalism. You oppose White Nationalism which does not seek any funding or foreign support. You demand mass Islamic migration to the West but not to Israel. You demand funding for your walls to prevent such migration into Israel but oppose any wall within America or prevention policy in the Mediterranean.

You are a hypocrite. You are the worst type of hypocrite. You are so open about these inconsistent policies but you will still deny them while making them, and cry victim when others point it out.

I find that all to be quite, quite vile.

Wr1tt3n by Khal.eesi, 21.02.2017 at 18:36

Great video. Oh those American 50's man, so cool. Great music, culture, style, clothes, everything. If i could choose where and when to live that would be it.

If you're white, you would have great life there, but god forbid you're black, then better stay in Tourkokratia.

But i thought the same as you, if i could choose, that would be America in 1950, Germany in 1900 or Russia in 1800

Wr1tt3n by Tik-Tok, 25.02.2017 at 13:07

& yet you just presented fiction as fact. I much prefer numbers to Feminist folklore.

i provide the best information i can ♥

most of what i said was presented as possibility or suggestion, to be considered as an alternative interpretation of the data, which aligns with the present experience. The only fact i recall stating was: "The fact is, we can't know... " which somehow you were able to interpret as fiction and eluded to 'feminist folklore'.

Perhaps things were better back then, but i have as much data that suggests otherwise. (Murder rates for instance have been on the decline for decades in western countries as a whole. In Canada, the government acknowledges that it's police did NOT report native women as missing when they were in fact missing, and many of those whom were murdered, were not investigated, so again, if you trust government studies, you'd have to question the validity of any data collection prior to the 1980s, as there is an admission that there was under-reporting.

But perhaps this isn't about declining morals.

I notice a lot of your posts talk about abuses, and how they are perpetuated through the generations. It seems reasonable then that the opposite is true. Do i have permission to give you some ♥?

Here is some ♥ for you: