Strategy/Unit Tweaks

On Laochra initiative, the following changes have been implemented:

Sky Menace:
-1 defence for Air Transports, +2 HP to counter

Naval Commander:
-1 defence for Sea Transports, +2 HP to counter

Relentless Attack:
-10 cost for Militia

Overall:
+2 range for Ant-Aircraft
-30 cost for Helicopters (+30 to Desert Storm Helicopters to counter).

The SM and NC changes are to prevent Transports from randomly defending before Militia (both of them had 4 defence). The RA change is to remove the unneeded economy nerf. The AA range boost is to bring their range up to standard Infantry range so that players can manoeuvre them around easier. They are still vastly outmanoeuvred by Bombers and Helicopters. The Helicopter change is to make them somewhat more useful outside of Desert Storm.

Ivan | 02.02.2017

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Liewyoonghao P0sts: 8 Fr0m: M4l4ys14	02.02.2017 - 18:09 Liewyoonghao Good L04d1ng... L04d1ng...
ribellucorsu P0sts: 1 Fr0m: Fr4nc3	+1 02.02.2017 - 18:24 ribellucorsu Dont understand i m french lol L04d1ng... L04d1ng...
VOLDERMORT P0sts: 199 Fr0m: USA	+1 02.02.2017 - 18:30 VOLDERMORT All i understand is cheaper militia and helicopters so PS im also a dumb french lol ---- AVADAKADAVRA L04d1ng... L04d1ng...
Nations The Immortals P0sts: 1486 Fr0m: Gr33c3	+1 02.02.2017 - 18:30 Nations Wr1tt3n by Permamuted, 02.02.2017 at 16:20 Wr1tt3n by Darkmace, 02.02.2017 at 14:40 I assume this means Laochra will only be using the balanced RA in 3v3 CW games? If not, its clearly not balanced. EDIT: This would be like making HW air transports cost -10gc and calling it balanced... the change has absolutely no effect on the initial issue of why RA was being considered unviable. Also I know it seems ungrateful for the changes, which isn't the case. They just seem sudden and some of them (not all of them), unnecessary or illogical. This was just a small tweak to remove a nerf that no longer needed to exist. I didnt claim ra was balanced nor did anyone else. But i do think people are underestimating it due to the comparison with that wildly overpowered version we had last year. All of these changes were necessary. If there are any you are unsure about i can explain as to why it was added. None of them are major or will alter the metagame in a significant way. Most people wont even notice. fix RA,innactive ex mod with huge ego. L04d1ng... L04d1ng...
RatWar Casual Ties P0sts: 884 Fr0m: USA	+1 02.02.2017 - 22:23 RatWar Very good - thank you, Ivan! Glad to see that there is still attention to the game and tweaks/improvements! ---- Embrace the void L04d1ng... L04d1ng...
Darth. P0sts: 3783 Fr0m: 4nd14	+6 02.02.2017 - 22:32 Darth. What need was there to increase DS heli cost by fucking 30 to "counter"? That makes normal helis 170 and DS helis 160, that's just a 10 cost nerf. DS helis are now more than the cost of SM Bombers for half the range, the marines are expensive at 120 cost and its not like your defence is that cheap either. Leave DS helis unchanged. There was a thread where the merits and demerits of nerfing DS was discussed. People seemed to be split on the issue. I don't see why Laochra gets to decide how strategies are tweaked when the rest of the community is undecided. ---- L04d1ng... L04d1ng...
RatWar Casual Ties P0sts: 884 Fr0m: USA	+3 02.02.2017 - 22:53 RatWar Wr1tt3n by Darth., 02.02.2017 at 22:32 What need was there to increase DS heli cost by fucking 30 to "counter"? That makes normal helis 170 and DS helis 160, that's just a 10 cost nerf. DS helis are now more than the cost of SM Bombers for half the range, the marines are expensive at 120 cost and its not like your defence is that cheap either. Leave DS helis unchanged. There was a thread where the merits and demerits of nerfing DS was discussed. People seemed to be split on the issue. I don't see why Laochra gets to decide how strategies are tweaked when the rest of the community is undecided. It's not clear from the post, but if you look at the unit list and select DS, you will see that Helicopters are still 130. What he meant was that they added 30, meaning they took the -70 from the old DS and +30 to make it a net drop of -40. DS Helos are still 130. I just looked at all the changes in the unit list. ---- Embrace the void L04d1ng... L04d1ng...
Darth. P0sts: 3783 Fr0m: 4nd14	+5 02.02.2017 - 23:02 Darth. Wr1tt3n by RatWar, 02.02.2017 at 22:53 It's not clear from the post, but if you look at the unit list and select DS, you will see that Helicopters are still 130. What he meant was that they added 30, meaning they took the -70 from the old DS and +30 to make it a net drop of -40. DS Helos are still 130. I just looked at all the changes in the unit list. While I'm glad DS helis are the same, the post really needs to be more clear. ---- L04d1ng... L04d1ng...
Ghost 4cc0unt d3l3t3d	03.02.2017 - 02:51 Ghost 4cc0unt d3l3t3d Wr1tt3n by Darth., 02.02.2017 at 23:02 Wr1tt3n by RatWar, 02.02.2017 at 22:53 It's not clear from the post, but if you look at the unit list and select DS, you will see that Helicopters are still 130. What he meant was that they added 30, meaning they took the -70 from the old DS and +30 to make it a net drop of -40. DS Helos are still 130. I just looked at all the changes in the unit list. While I'm glad DS helis are the same, the post really needs to be more clear. Lao told ivan to remove the - 30 to ds heli, read his comment L04d1ng... L04d1ng...
klevis P0sts: 900 Fr0m: 4lb4n14	03.02.2017 - 06:29 klevis Wr1tt3n by Permamuted, 02.02.2017 at 15:47 I actually mailed ivan with these changes 6 months ago but sent him a reminder last week. What you guys need to realise is that Ivan's domain is the website and he cant do anything about the mapmaker in its current state of suspension. While it's a small change and its frustrating that we haven't gotten more filling this thread with complaints and mouthing off isnt exactly going to encourage more updates. But yea ill mail ivan to add the 30 cost back to ds helis. ds helis still 130 .....ds is still the same ...AA cost alot .... seem u failed again to make strats balance ---- L04d1ng... L04d1ng...
4nic Illyria P0sts: 5353 Fr0m: 1t4ly	+1 03.02.2017 - 07:26 4nic Wr1tt3n by Darth., 02.02.2017 at 22:32 What need was there to increase DS heli cost by fucking 30 to "counter"? That makes normal helis 170 and DS helis 160, that's just a 10 cost nerf. DS helis are now more than the cost of SM Bombers for half the range, the marines are expensive at 120 cost and its not like your defence is that cheap either. Leave DS helis unchanged. There was a thread where the merits and demerits of nerfing DS was discussed. People seemed to be split on the issue. I don't see why Laochra gets to decide how strategies are tweaked when the rest of the community is undecided. This ---- ''Everywhere where i am absent, they commit nothing but follies'' ~Napoleon L04d1ng... L04d1ng...
Permamuted Illyria P0sts: 6176 Fr0m: 1r3l4nd	03.02.2017 - 08:22 Permamuted Wr1tt3n by Darth., 02.02.2017 at 22:32 What need was there to increase DS heli cost by fucking 30 to "counter"? That makes normal helis 170 and DS helis 160, that's just a 10 cost nerf. DS helis are now more than the cost of SM Bombers for half the range, the marines are expensive at 120 cost and its not like your defence is that cheap either. Leave DS helis unchanged. There was a thread where the merits and demerits of nerfing DS was discussed. People seemed to be split on the issue. I don't see why Laochra gets to decide how strategies are tweaked when the rest of the community is undecided. The change applied wasnt a ds change but a change to the default helis so theyd become more usable in general. I see someone already pointed this out. Besides most of these changes were discussed on the modforum. That heli change actually came from the community. The idea to improve helicopters has existed for a long time but as per usual i am the only one who has the gumption to make it a reality. As for your last point, the community cannot decide on anything. Look at the nerf ds thread, 3 pages of mostly useless content. What were you hoping would get decided from that? I am almost the only person who made a constructive point in the whole thread. It's a joke. It appears the community no longer contains players who are able to argue with logic and reason. As it was they were in scarce supply before. ---- L04d1ng... L04d1ng...
Ghostface Epic Clan P0sts: 1463 Fr0m: M4c3d0n14	+1 03.02.2017 - 08:53 Ghostface Good changes and tweaks to the units to balance it out with the strategies but it will need more tweaking to make RA somewhat usable L04d1ng... L04d1ng...
GustDNZ Epic Clan P0sts: 140 Fr0m: Western Sahara	+1 03.02.2017 - 11:28 GustDNZ Add +1 attck for tank on RA strategy ? L04d1ng... L04d1ng...
clovis1122 Epic Clan P0sts: 9043 Fr0m: D0m1n1c4n R3publ1c	+3 03.02.2017 - 12:18 clovis1122 Wr1tt3n by Ghostface, 03.02.2017 at 08:53 Good changes and tweaks to the units to balance it out with the strategies but it will need more tweaking to make RA somewhat usable wow, an Epic Clan Member Ghost-Face (Leader) supports lao instead of me... who ever grave you freedom of speech? brb gotta call njab to brainwash you again xaxaxaxaxaxa fking shqiptar Ghost-Face traitor ! Lets kick him L04d1ng... L04d1ng...
hairbags P0sts: 20439	03.02.2017 - 14:55 hairbags Wr1tt3n by Darth., 02.02.2017 at 23:02 Wr1tt3n by RatWar, 02.02.2017 at 22:53 It's not clear from the post, but if you look at the unit list and select DS, you will see that Helicopters are still 130. What he meant was that they added 30, meaning they took the -70 from the old DS and +30 to make it a net drop of -40. DS Helos are still 130. I just looked at all the changes in the unit list. While I'm glad DS helis are the same, the post really needs to be more clear. or you need to be less retarded ---- i think i might be hairbags - zizou L04d1ng... L04d1ng...
hairbags P0sts: 20439	03.02.2017 - 14:55 hairbags I manoeuvre well so i can out manoeuvre everyone ---- i think i might be hairbags - zizou L04d1ng... L04d1ng...
minusSeven P0sts: 704 Fr0m: 4nd14	04.02.2017 - 04:57 minusSeven I don't see any major changes in strategies only attempts to make helis and aa more usable which is good. ---- L04d1ng... L04d1ng...
Mynamo P0sts: 7 Fr0m: UK	05.02.2017 - 05:13 Mynamo Sounds like a waste of time implementing updates for units when you could fix map editor.. L04d1ng... L04d1ng...

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