Treatment of Rank 5 Players
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After recently ranking up from r4 to r5 AtWar has become a game I can effectively, no longer play. The treatment of rank 5 players (and in some cases rank 6 and 7) in the main lobby is horrible, its been days sense ive played a game without being kicked for not being a higher level considering I can no longer play in the beginners lobby. For example: I joined a WWI game the other day, and after being kicked for choosing countries I would actually enjoy playing (Nothing crazy, Ottoman Empire and Italy) I decided to be more subtle in choosing my countries in a desperate attempt to be overlooked and play a game. I ended up choosing Serbia and before the game even started 3 players had complained that "Rank 5 in this game is a joke" and I was kicked within minutes of joining.
After seeing the kind of treatment that midrank players recieve ive observed that the majority of the AtWar community is simply garbage. Its hard to join any lobby without being told to leave, getting kicked, or being called a noob or any other names. Im tired of being kicked from every game i try and join for simply existing, no matter how small of a country I pick. I will admit there are many people who are sympathetic to low levels, but I still can't play any games short of a Europe+ game. Scenario games are simply impossible, people can't get better to play with you if you don't let them play. Something needs to be done and to that I say this.
It dosent matter if one player on your team is a weak link, a quick game at most will last an hour, one game, one hour out of the hundreds of games you will play has little effect on you, but how you react has negative effects on the people who are just trying to learn the game, if you don't like a rank 5 on your team than you can leave, don't hurt the people who want to play the game. Something needs to change.
After seeing the kind of treatment that midrank players recieve ive observed that the majority of the AtWar community is simply garbage. Its hard to join any lobby without being told to leave, getting kicked, or being called a noob or any other names. Im tired of being kicked from every game i try and join for simply existing, no matter how small of a country I pick. I will admit there are many people who are sympathetic to low levels, but I still can't play any games short of a Europe+ game. Scenario games are simply impossible, people can't get better to play with you if you don't let them play. Something needs to be done and to that I say this.
It dosent matter if one player on your team is a weak link, a quick game at most will last an hour, one game, one hour out of the hundreds of games you will play has little effect on you, but how you react has negative effects on the people who are just trying to learn the game, if you don't like a rank 5 on your team than you can leave, don't hurt the people who want to play the game. Something needs to change.
Expert 9+ please, support.
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As much as I would like this, it would severely divide the playerbase
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The ratio of low ranks that actually care is the issue. Out of 10 rank 5s one won't leave in the first 5 turns, that's why there is elitism. I have also said this before if your a low rank and are a good player you won't be a low rank for long. Loyalty to the game also has a lot to do with it, alot if us high ranks are addicted to this shit, most rank 5s and down see it just as a game, so they join we let them play they don't wall, they build tanks they lose tanks there out of money, then turn 4 starts and they leave to try the same bullshit somewhere else, I'm sorry but rank ism exists because most low ranks don't give a fuck about anyone, sorry they ruin your fun. Some advice, join a reputable clan, high ranks will be more inclined to let you play if your in a good clan. That's my opinion on this.
----  We are not the same- I am a Martian.
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As a rank 7 player, I observe that mid-ranks are not discriminated against. A week's experiment of playing as a rank 3/4/5 guest account demonstrates that low-ranks are not discriminated against too much (I will admit that I was kicked a couple times for being a R3/4 player during this week). I strongly disagree about dividing the player-base into three rooms. Ridiculous! Even with just two rooms, with everybody from rank 5 to 13 playing in the same room, games struggle to fill in my time zone. Barring a massive increase in the number of players, splitting the R5+ community into two rooms will ensure I never get to play a good scenario again. Also, GamerCady, if you want people to take you seriously, perhaps consider more formal language and provide more substantial evidence. Referencing groups of people by stereotypical and derogatory nomenclature is an excellent way of guaranteeing that you insult everyone and dissuade people from listening to you.
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Equal rights for all ranks! Just kidding noobs
---- The Most Feared Nazi Germany and SM Ukraine player in AW history. Retired    
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As a rank 9 player, I've always felt like a god even among rank 12s
---- The Most Feared Nazi Germany and SM Ukraine player in AW history. Retired
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Ive been testing this, and result is that high ranks leave more than low rank turn 1 or before we start, only because they dont want to risk and let lowrank play. Reasons for leaving: - You let lowrank pick big role - you let lowrank join the game - you let highrank pick small role - you let highrank pick big role 10% complain when rank 10 pick Germany if Russia is rank 12 90% complain when rank 5 pick Germany 80% high ranks leave before game start or first turn if they see low rank picked Germany Thats the problem; highranks not giving chance to lowranks in scenarios, they would rather ruin game then risk and play. But atleast 50% for lowranks would improve if highranks let them play, but they arent giving them the chance, so 90% of lowranks cant improve while other 10% goes under difficult selection process eventually turning high ranking troll. Not to mention how many are discouraged and start playing RP/UN/Political because they accept them. And then again highranks discriminate against them because of their rp career.
---- If a game is around long enough, people will find the most efficient way to play it and start playing it like robots
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I like this idea. I believe it will create a more fair game environment for those that are playing. I also know of this problem, because it has been around for awhile, but never thought it was a big deal until you brought it up. I support it.
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Lol at ur avatar xD On topic, when I have low ranks join my game, I play any way for the fun of it. It's AtWar, anything can happens
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The real question here is, why are you concerned about discrimination in the Main Lobby, when you're a rank 3? The general standard of performance amongst rank 3s (with the exception of alts run by high-ranking players) is very low. Players derive no enjoyment from playing against someone with significant if not overwhelming disparities in skill. Rank 3s are therefore usually expected to play against others of similar experience, in the Beginner Lobby. If you do come to the Main Lobby, do not expect the high-ranks to spend time playing against you. They are usually seeking to play against people of similar level of skill - which rank 3s almost always aren't. Perhaps try understanding the other side of the issue before acting like an idiot. Oh, and before you also accuse me of being an "arrogant, ignorant faggit," to quote your own words, perhaps also consider that I'm a mid-rank (rank 7) that's also generally considered a novice and isn't invited to competitive games.
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Obviously alt, look his game records.
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what a big steammy load of bollocks. Like i would stay in a ww if a rank 5 would pick Germany. Are you serious now or trolling?
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As a player who has been competing (and losing,usually) with high ranks since rank 5, I find this to severely stump progress, and would increase rank inflation a lot. If you don't put those 10% of low ranks willing to be in the competitive seen in with the high ranks, they wouldn't progress at all and either turn to RP because of boredom or get beaten up in the competitive seen as supposedly developed high ranks rather than growing low ranks. Now I expect some of those ''you are rankist you host high leveled games'' comments, but the fact is even though 3v3s and 1v1s are often limited to high ranks when hosted when high ranks; other games aren't. And not all we play is 3v3s and 1v1s, and whoever will say that is blind.
---- We are not the same - I am a Martian. We are not the same - I am a... divided constellation? 
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Statistics, unlike anecdotes, require a certain standard of evidence to support it. Note how Jedi failed to provide this evidence. Jedi, do you still have those calculations around? Perhaps you can tell us what the raw numbers are, so we can check for things like sample size and systematic bias?
That is indeed a problem, but it is not the responsibility of the individual players to ensure that low ranks have adequate opportunity to improve. There are plenty of ways, including but not limited to the help of mentors, trainer clans, etc., in which a low-ranking player can test his or her skills against a much more competent player.
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Yes International, but it's in their interest if they want a better future of competition.
---- We are not the same - I am a Martian. We are not the same - I am a... divided constellation?
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Someone mentioned earlier letting a r5 play Germany and then high ranks leaving instead of "giving him a chance". Maybe they left because they would rather play a game that wont fail in 4 turns then waste anymore time "giving somebody a chance"
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U're a well knowed allyfag, rpfag and u can only play with ur stupid diplomacy.
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PLEASE block ban report. This is inappropriate and juvenile.
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What is that blasted insult... Oh, wait, you're proving my point. Thanks!
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...perhaps I'm being unclear. What I'm saying, there are other ways to allow low ranks to gain skill. Instead of facing the cliff wall of R9+ straight from the outset, it will probably be better for a new player to start by playing against someone slightly better. Since a R3 player isn't going understand the full subtleties of advanced strategy, playing against people who use such strategies are pointless. That player will learn much more from playing against Rank 4s or 5s, because then he can actually understand everything he sees.
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Will a mod do us all a favor and ban this troll from the forums? He's obviously posting just to get reactions.
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He reminds me a little bit of clovis, but then I noticed his english and his vocabulary and thought to myself that this couldn't be clovis. 
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This has happened to me many times, and I understand it. Something definitely needs to be done about this, though I'm not sure making a 3rd room for intermediates is the answer. Maybe making it a rule that you can't specifically target or kick a player based on his rank would help. Total support, but the key to fixing things is to approach it the right way.
----  "For out of the ground we were taken For the dust we are, And to the dust we shall return"
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you are awesome! i love you ! dont dare ban this guy!! i fully support you bro  on topic : Maybe a little less cry. Not our fault you and your friends are noobs and cant manage to rank up fast to play with the high ranks. Also considering how noob all high ranks who doesnt play 3v3 are, right now, im trully surprised you cant compete, even at such a low level of competitiveness  But dont give up!Keep trying little dude! youll make it someday!You are not alone, Waffel still hasnt to this day!
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xaxaxa gfy also nice buttlicking that alt! u think is amok or ivan on alt and will make u mod now? xD
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lol..? 1. i aint got time nor desire to be a mod 2. pretty positive ivan and amok have seen the bad side of me, so im not a great mod candidate even if i wanted to.. 3. My country is under economical attack..we ll go bankruped soon and we will become like Albania and i probably wont have internet anymore!
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